Why are there far fewer advocates for popism/poptimism related to art forms OTHER than music?

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The writer clearly doesn't hate pop music, and nor do I

it's totally immaterial, it's not a negative quality, but anybody who writes a wrinkled brow piece about "poptimism" in 2015 does not get popular music and wants to draw hierarchies. good for them! get on with it

"where are the people criticising today's hottest pop stars?" you're on the internet dude, there's fucking millions of them

"actually, it's about ethics in music journalism"

idiocracy

what's pop music

you asking me, Noel Coward or John Julius Norwich?

Was gonna crossly point out that this thread shd be about forms OTHER than music, then took a closer look at this revive and uh carry on

The article pays lipservice to the real issue here - the marketisation of all online editorial decisions and the click-chasing culture that results, but blaming that on "poptimism" shows that the writer doesn't actually understand what he's talking about, and his use of the Arcade Fire and Drake to illustrate that point is hilarious.

Feel obliged to point out the irony in his "no one would say 'poptimism' in a nightclub" remark*, considering the phrase was coined to promote a club night.

*Even if it is probably true, if only because 'poptimism' only actually exists when it is misused on the internet.

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Yeah, the writer uses some weird examples - U2 to signify rockism comes off a bit weird, unless we're talking the most oafish form of rockism that would also claim rock supremacy for, say, Glasvegas

Would like it more if his angle concerned the ignorance many critics show towards the avant-garde or even the unheralded lower echelons of pop, but then I doubt he's a Micachu fan

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I don’t think you can talk about progress in art—movement, but not progress. You can speak of a point on a line for the purpose of locating things, but it’s a horizontal line, not a vertical one. Similarly the notion of an avant-garde is a bit off. The function of the advance guard in military terms is exactly that of the rear guard, to protect the main body, which translates as the status quo.

ILM poptimism gets owned again and no one can come up with a coherent response that isn't just 99% ugh snark

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Would like it more if his angle concerned the ignorance many critics show towards the avant-garde or even the unheralded lower echelons of pop, but then I doubt he's a Micachu fan

Oh boo-fucking-hoo the avant-garde, and I speak as someone who's spent many an evening sitting on a plastic chair in a draughty hall watching a man scraping some cymbals with a violin bow etcetera etcetera.

A measure of anti-rockism in critical discourse is always vital, but Nooks is a troll account surely so the argument is not only facile but extraneous

At least he's been frightened away from more profound stuff back to bitching about people liking Charli XCX.

I like it when 'weird' or 'experimental' artists namecheck and show props to pop artists, because it demonstrates the synthesizing of the discourses and the sublimation of the avant garde - it feels conversely irritating if the pop discourse does not reciprocate. Which is why something like that Amel Larrieux album felt so exciting - approaching the synthesis from the direction of pop

posts that you assumed were c&ps until about a third of the way through

just reminding everyone itt that you are contributing to a 147 post thread that began with the post

Maybe I'm not reading the right people, but I feel like I don't read many insightful, clever people who push the "ascribing shame to pop pleasure is itself a shameful act" thing to Michael Bay movies and Dan Brown books or whatever.

It definitely seems like the idea that 'there's no such thing as a guilty pleasure!' is much more generally more accepted with music than other art forms, right?

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i flag posted him this morning just in case

I'm ill but I've agreed to play 90 minutes if football and I'll embarrass myself and Ken C will be there to mock me, let me post idiotic things about the art music discourse fgs

woah woah woah thats not cool man

I. M. Nuki-napped

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just couldn't take the shock to the system when he found that max tundra included both the vengaboys AND maryanne amacher in a recent mixtape

shooki

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Which is why something like that Amel Larrieux album felt so exciting - approaching the synthesis from the direction of pop

Since you're on an "untapped potential of pop music" tip at the moment, have you deigned to listen to the new Dawn Richard album yet or are you just going to wait until the end of year poll before freaking out?

you could, like, ctrl+f 'imago' in the thread (yes, i have, it's great)

Surprised this "untapped potential of pop music" trope isn't continuously laughed at.

Or maybe its a quiet, internal laugh.

It's a fairly hollow laugh tbh.

That's the problem with pop music, it's never really come into its own.

it could be so much more popular

It could experiment every now and then - shake things up a bit.

Oh boo-fucking-hoo the avant-garde, and I speak as someone who's spent many an evening sitting on a plastic chair in a draughty hall watching a man scraping some cymbals with a violin bow etcetera

― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:02 (2 days ago) Permalink

pop has already incorporated this, all the did was put "re rewind.." in front and hey presto smash hit

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I seem to be misunderstood as someone who dislikes pop music. Simply couldn't be further from reality. It's always been proudly part of my domain.

if we could have a thread for imago and the raccoon, and confine them there, that would be sweet

(xp) I hate to break it to you but I don't think anyone really cares :(

Most important takeaway from the article is U2 being fully enshrined in North American rockist canon

why yes I do take Katy Perry as seriously as U2, U2 is ridiculous, writer man

(xp) I hate to break it to you but I don't think anyone really cares :(

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Hate to break it to you Tom D but you reply to 90% of my posts

wooo!

auk nae

glad i've made a friend today