"where are the people criticising today's hottest pop stars?" you're on the internet dude, there's fucking millions of them
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 19 April 2015 11:18 (nine years ago) link
"actually, it's about ethics in music journalism"
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 19 April 2015 11:19 (nine years ago) link
idiocracy
― Daukins (Arctic Noon Auk), Sunday, 19 April 2015 11:20 (nine years ago) link
what's pop music
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Sunday, 19 April 2015 12:05 (nine years ago) link
you asking me, Noel Coward or John Julius Norwich?
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 19 April 2015 12:07 (nine years ago) link
Was gonna crossly point out that this thread shd be about forms OTHER than music, then took a closer look at this revive and uh carry on
― piqued (wins), Sunday, 19 April 2015 12:19 (nine years ago) link
The article pays lipservice to the real issue here - the marketisation of all online editorial decisions and the click-chasing culture that results, but blaming that on "poptimism" shows that the writer doesn't actually understand what he's talking about, and his use of the Arcade Fire and Drake to illustrate that point is hilarious.
Feel obliged to point out the irony in his "no one would say 'poptimism' in a nightclub" remark*, considering the phrase was coined to promote a club night.
*Even if it is probably true, if only because 'poptimism' only actually exists when it is misused on the internet.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 19 April 2015 12:24 (nine years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/Mr_tayto.jpg
― Matt DC, Sunday, 19 April 2015 12:28 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, the writer uses some weird examples - U2 to signify rockism comes off a bit weird, unless we're talking the most oafish form of rockism that would also claim rock supremacy for, say, Glasvegas
― imago, Sunday, 19 April 2015 12:37 (nine years ago) link
Would like it more if his angle concerned the ignorance many critics show towards the avant-garde or even the unheralded lower echelons of pop, but then I doubt he's a Micachu fan
― imago, Sunday, 19 April 2015 12:40 (nine years ago) link
adjective1.understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge or interest; recondite:poetry full of esoteric allusions.2.belonging to the select few.3.private; secret; confidential.4.(of a philosophical doctrine or the like) intended to be revealed only to the initiates of a group:the esoteric doctrines of Pythagoras.
― Pat Condell tha funkee homosapien (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 19 April 2015 12:45 (nine years ago) link
I don’t think you can talk about progress in art—movement, but not progress. You can speak of a point on a line for the purpose of locating things, but it’s a horizontal line, not a vertical one. Similarly the notion of an avant-garde is a bit off. The function of the advance guard in military terms is exactly that of the rear guard, to protect the main body, which translates as the status quo.
― piqued (wins), Sunday, 19 April 2015 12:53 (nine years ago) link
ILM poptimism gets owned again and no one can come up with a coherent response that isn't just 99% ugh snark
― Arctic Noon Auk, Sunday, 19 April 2015 13:18 (nine years ago) link
Snark
― piqued (wins), Sunday, 19 April 2015 13:23 (nine years ago) link
✓
noone
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http://publicdomainreview.org/files/snark-strip.jpg
Tanook composes a post
― Pat Condell tha funkee homosapien (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 19 April 2015 13:28 (nine years ago) link
Oh boo-fucking-hoo the avant-garde, and I speak as someone who's spent many an evening sitting on a plastic chair in a draughty hall watching a man scraping some cymbals with a violin bow etcetera etcetera.
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:02 (nine years ago) link
A measure of anti-rockism in critical discourse is always vital, but Nooks is a troll account surely so the argument is not only facile but extraneous
― imago, Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:03 (nine years ago) link
At least he's been frightened away from more profound stuff back to bitching about people liking Charli XCX.
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:06 (nine years ago) link
I like it when 'weird' or 'experimental' artists namecheck and show props to pop artists, because it demonstrates the synthesizing of the discourses and the sublimation of the avant garde - it feels conversely irritating if the pop discourse does not reciprocate. Which is why something like that Amel Larrieux album felt so exciting - approaching the synthesis from the direction of pop
― imago, Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:08 (nine years ago) link
posts that you assumed were c&ps until about a third of the way through
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:09 (nine years ago) link
just reminding everyone itt that you are contributing to a 147 post thread that began with the post
Maybe I'm not reading the right people, but I feel like I don't read many insightful, clever people who push the "ascribing shame to pop pleasure is itself a shameful act" thing to Michael Bay movies and Dan Brown books or whatever.It definitely seems like the idea that 'there's no such thing as a guilty pleasure!' is much more generally more accepted with music than other art forms, right?― I am Nicky-napped, Thursday, 3 July 2014 17:03 (9 months ago)
It definitely seems like the idea that 'there's no such thing as a guilty pleasure!' is much more generally more accepted with music than other art forms, right?
― I am Nicky-napped, Thursday, 3 July 2014 17:03 (9 months ago)
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:10 (nine years ago) link
i flag posted him this morning just in case
― Pat Condell tha funkee homosapien (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:11 (nine years ago) link
I'm ill but I've agreed to play 90 minutes if football and I'll embarrass myself and Ken C will be there to mock me, let me post idiotic things about the art music discourse fgs
― imago, Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:14 (nine years ago) link
woah woah woah thats not cool man
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:15 (nine years ago) link
I. M. Nuki-napped
― piqued (wins), Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh_LKM3CAAAFygk.jpg
just couldn't take the shock to the system when he found that max tundra included both the vengaboys AND maryanne amacher in a recent mixtape
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:27 (nine years ago) link
shooki
― post you had fecund thoughts about (darraghmac), Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link
LOL (xp)
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:50 (nine years ago) link
Which is why something like that Amel Larrieux album felt so exciting - approaching the synthesis from the direction of pop
Since you're on an "untapped potential of pop music" tip at the moment, have you deigned to listen to the new Dawn Richard album yet or are you just going to wait until the end of year poll before freaking out?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 10:52 (nine years ago) link
you could, like, ctrl+f 'imago' in the thread (yes, i have, it's great)
― imago, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 10:54 (nine years ago) link
Surprised this "untapped potential of pop music" trope isn't continuously laughed at.
Or maybe its a quiet, internal laugh.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 11:37 (nine years ago) link
It's a fairly hollow laugh tbh.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 11:43 (nine years ago) link
That's the problem with pop music, it's never really come into its own.
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 12:07 (nine years ago) link
it could be so much more popular
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 12:09 (nine years ago) link
It could experiment every now and then - shake things up a bit.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 12:15 (nine years ago) link
Oh boo-fucking-hoo the avant-garde, and I speak as someone who's spent many an evening sitting on a plastic chair in a draughty hall watching a man scraping some cymbals with a violin bow etcetera― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:02 (2 days ago) Permalink
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:02 (2 days ago) Permalink
pop has already incorporated this, all the did was put "re rewind.." in front and hey presto smash hit
― pandemic, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 12:17 (nine years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81v9v0QjlXL._SX425_PJautoripBadge,BottomRight,4,-40_OU11__.jpg
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 12:22 (nine years ago) link
I seem to be misunderstood as someone who dislikes pop music. Simply couldn't be further from reality. It's always been proudly part of my domain.
― Arctic Noon Auk, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 13:37 (nine years ago) link
if we could have a thread for imago and the raccoon, and confine them there, that would be sweet
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 13:42 (nine years ago) link
(xp) I hate to break it to you but I don't think anyone really cares :(
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 14:51 (nine years ago) link
Most important takeaway from the article is U2 being fully enshrined in North American rockist canon
why yes I do take Katy Perry as seriously as U2, U2 is ridiculous, writer man
― mh, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 15:23 (nine years ago) link
― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.),
Hate to break it to you Tom D but you reply to 90% of my posts
wooo!
― Arctic Noon Auk, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link
auk nae
― yeovil knievel (NickB), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 16:13 (nine years ago) link
glad i've made a friend today
― imago, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 16:23 (nine years ago) link
these kinds of threads are the worst on ilm. will happily never see another popism/rockism debate again as there's nothing interesting or new to say about these in 2015.
― but then again, who really cares? I don’t. (dog latin), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
i think thats less true in 2015 than its been in several years! its hard to say interesting things tho, cant fault bloggers for not being up to the challenge really
― no (Lamp), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 23:11 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/perpetua/status/591297957267382272
― jaymc, Thursday, 23 April 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link