Why are there far fewer advocates for popism/poptimism related to art forms OTHER than music?

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Would like it more if his angle concerned the ignorance many critics show towards the avant-garde or even the unheralded lower echelons of pop, but then I doubt he's a Micachu fan

Oh boo-fucking-hoo the avant-garde, and I speak as someone who's spent many an evening sitting on a plastic chair in a draughty hall watching a man scraping some cymbals with a violin bow etcetera etcetera.

A measure of anti-rockism in critical discourse is always vital, but Nooks is a troll account surely so the argument is not only facile but extraneous

At least he's been frightened away from more profound stuff back to bitching about people liking Charli XCX.

I like it when 'weird' or 'experimental' artists namecheck and show props to pop artists, because it demonstrates the synthesizing of the discourses and the sublimation of the avant garde - it feels conversely irritating if the pop discourse does not reciprocate. Which is why something like that Amel Larrieux album felt so exciting - approaching the synthesis from the direction of pop

posts that you assumed were c&ps until about a third of the way through

just reminding everyone itt that you are contributing to a 147 post thread that began with the post

Maybe I'm not reading the right people, but I feel like I don't read many insightful, clever people who push the "ascribing shame to pop pleasure is itself a shameful act" thing to Michael Bay movies and Dan Brown books or whatever.

It definitely seems like the idea that 'there's no such thing as a guilty pleasure!' is much more generally more accepted with music than other art forms, right?

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i flag posted him this morning just in case

I'm ill but I've agreed to play 90 minutes if football and I'll embarrass myself and Ken C will be there to mock me, let me post idiotic things about the art music discourse fgs

woah woah woah thats not cool man

I. M. Nuki-napped

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just couldn't take the shock to the system when he found that max tundra included both the vengaboys AND maryanne amacher in a recent mixtape

shooki

LOL (xp)

Which is why something like that Amel Larrieux album felt so exciting - approaching the synthesis from the direction of pop

Since you're on an "untapped potential of pop music" tip at the moment, have you deigned to listen to the new Dawn Richard album yet or are you just going to wait until the end of year poll before freaking out?

you could, like, ctrl+f 'imago' in the thread (yes, i have, it's great)

Surprised this "untapped potential of pop music" trope isn't continuously laughed at.

Or maybe its a quiet, internal laugh.

It's a fairly hollow laugh tbh.

That's the problem with pop music, it's never really come into its own.

it could be so much more popular

It could experiment every now and then - shake things up a bit.

Oh boo-fucking-hoo the avant-garde, and I speak as someone who's spent many an evening sitting on a plastic chair in a draughty hall watching a man scraping some cymbals with a violin bow etcetera

― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 April 2015 14:02 (2 days ago) Permalink

pop has already incorporated this, all the did was put "re rewind.." in front and hey presto smash hit

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I seem to be misunderstood as someone who dislikes pop music. Simply couldn't be further from reality. It's always been proudly part of my domain.

if we could have a thread for imago and the raccoon, and confine them there, that would be sweet

(xp) I hate to break it to you but I don't think anyone really cares :(

Most important takeaway from the article is U2 being fully enshrined in North American rockist canon

why yes I do take Katy Perry as seriously as U2, U2 is ridiculous, writer man

(xp) I hate to break it to you but I don't think anyone really cares :(

― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.),

Hate to break it to you Tom D but you reply to 90% of my posts

wooo!

auk nae

glad i've made a friend today

these kinds of threads are the worst on ilm. will happily never see another popism/rockism debate again as there's nothing interesting or new to say about these in 2015.

i think thats less true in 2015 than its been in several years! its hard to say interesting things tho, cant fault bloggers for not being up to the challenge really

https://twitter.com/perpetua/status/591297957267382272

xxp - meanwhile there are super fascinating things to say about CDs vs vinyl vs streaming in 2015

there are only like 10 music critics in the world.

And there are 143 of them on ILX.

― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Saturday, April 18, 2015 4:05 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Talk to an ILXer about the right band, and s/he becomes a (music) critic.

we are all music critics, but some of us are gazing at the stars

only two things in life are inevitable, bands and music criticism

a music critic is one who knows the band of everything and the critic of nothing

i have a dream that my four little children will one day post on a board where they will not be judged by the color of their band, but by the content of their critic

our band could be your critic

http://skynetandebert.com/2015/04/22/music-was-better-back-then-when-do-we-stop-keeping-up-with-popular-music/

lot of bullshit assumptions there imo

imo too much looseness around the meaning of relationship btwn popular listening and age/gender/parenthood - he says it means tastes calcify + mature but it could also mean that tastes just become more specialized + niche, which you'd expect from a developing music taste

yup and niche stuff is by definition "less popular" because fewer people are listening to it and it isn't on top 40 radio.

feel like there's also some tautological loop going on there about Top 40 radio = popular music but I can't quite articulate it.

on a personal note, the thing about ID'ing parents by streams of kids' music just seems really wrong - parents who specifically seek out children's music for their kids are a small subset of parents ime.

I mean we have a couple kids' albums thing around the house (mostly given to us as presents) but the vast majority of music my kids hear is just whatever I play around the house + what mom plays on the radio

most of what my kids hear is our music but we do occasionally play children's music for them - sometimes seeking it out (esp stuff we loved from our childhoods like raffi, broadway kids, older disney soundtracks) and stuff they specifically request (frozen almost exclusively)

it seems like he completely avoids one of the more obvious conclusions - that Top 40 radio is popular because it's the primary (if not sole) source of music for a certain demographic

popular music really means top 40, esp in poptimism. the movement to take traditionally popular folk + religious music seriously is an anthromusicological concern. pop music is what they play on the radio.

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i wish this was on spotify:
http://www.amazon.com/Broadway-Kids-The-Petula-Clark/dp/B0011BJQ3O