I gagged a little when Duck had that line about knocking class rings on tables
― ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, 15 May 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link
I'm down with the idea that Pete comes out on top, as that's long been one of the points of the show and that episode just proved it.
― dan selzer, Friday, 15 May 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link
yup, things don't change - Don is still an unwanted mysterious con man, rich WASPs perenially secure, women relegated to secondary status etc.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
Wonder if Ted is just going to be left reasonably happy?
I don't really want Peggy to stay there, it just seems so fucking horrible in that place but perhaps staying there is going to solidify her trailblazer status.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 May 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
i'm glad weiner put the db cooper bullshit to sleep, i feel like some people think every tv show is breaking bad.
― ceres, Friday, 15 May 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
the headhunter peggy spoke to a couple episodes ago said that she'd probably quadruple her asking salary after working at mccann for a few years. i hope we'll see more about peggy at work in the final episode but it seems like a place she could thrive. she won't get the director position at mccann that she wanted at SCDP but she's got a very successful career ahead, i think.
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, 15 May 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link
you may have missed the part where the guy who runs the place told joan that peggy wouldn't likely be in her job very long
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 May 2015 19:51 (nine years ago) link
i don't recall that, no
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, 15 May 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
do we think there will be a time jump
― i blow goat farts, aka garts for a living (waterface), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link
McCann is pretty clearly not a place where people thrive, much less women
I don't think there will be a time jump
my bet would be on peggy starting her own agency in some way (she didn't have equity and thus no non-compete clause applies)
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
It's possible, but it won't be a "where are they now?" kind of thing like many other series do.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link
the jump forward is to 2050 and they're all dead
― ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link
entire show is hyper-intelligent cockroaches puzzling over an unearthed BurgerChef billboard
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
entire show is a story Ginsburg scrawled out in blood on his window in the mental institution.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link
aliens return to earth to reclaim their prodigal son, Ginsberg, proceed to lay waste to Manhattan
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
i dunno, in a prior episode, when peggy & joan met at mccann about topaz pantyhose, peggy was remarkably deft at redirecting the blatant sexism of the men in the room and remaining professional. i don't think mccann will necessarily care that she's a woman as long as she remains childless & married to her job. we already saw that there are other female copywriters, even if they are used on 'women's' accounts. plus mccann might be a soulless corporate wasteland but it's also a stable environment, which is a lot more than you could say for SCDP.
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:21 (nine years ago) link
we already saw that there are other female copywriters, even if they are used on 'women's' accounts
Peggy's already been the copyrwiter for "ladies" products, she had bigger ambitions than that, ones that have been explicitly stated
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link
she HAS
i don't recall that, no― gwyneth anger (patron sailor)
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
pete saved the burger chef account so i'd assume she's still on that? idk i think peggy's gonna stay put, she already decided against going elsewhere when SCDP was absorbed so something really awful would have to happen for her to leave imho
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:27 (nine years ago) link
yes I remember that forks
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
entire show the entire internet on monday morning following the show is hyper-intelligent cockroaches puzzling over an unearthed BurgerChef billboard― Οὖτις, Friday, May 15, 2015
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link
i don't mean to pooh pooh your interp p.sailor; i'm sure a woman with peggy's presented skillset would have a successful career even in the rabidly sexist 70's.i just have very little emotional attachment to these characters i guess
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link
nah, it's fair, we're all reading tea leaves here. i like peggy, tho. she's an asshole but she's got talent.
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
I remember. xxxp.
I'd forgotten about it right up until it was brought up in this thread though. I'm hoping Peggy gets a happy-ish ending anyway.
I doubt she's going to leave McCann, they already did that with Joan and I don't think that the Mad Men writers are going to repeat themselves.
― silverfish, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:33 (nine years ago) link
ad agencies are not a place where people thrive, much less women. they are pits of evil.
btw Weiner explicitly disagrees with this, one reason i could never love this show.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:34 (nine years ago) link
MW basically sees agencies as... the CABLE TELEVISION of the '60s!
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
there was cable television in the 60s?
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:37 (nine years ago) link
For a long time, it was my assumption that Peggy would be the character to come out on top at the end, considering the first episode of the show was her first day on the job—the title Mad Men being ironic, etc etc blah blah. At this point, I think the closest we'll get to that is the scene with her silhouetted in Don's office chair that mimics the show's generic avatar. That's clearly too neat a narrative for Matt Weiner, though I know he treats Peggy like one of his favorites.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:37 (nine years ago) link
just imagine the rich tapestry of sincere mad men fanfic that will inevitably extend these characters' stories beyond the conclusion of the series. it's gonna be wild.
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:39 (nine years ago) link
I refuse to acknowledge any non-slash-fiction
― ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:40 (nine years ago) link
Canon-only for me!
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:41 (nine years ago) link
final shot is joan stubbing a cigarette out on a photo of don and sneering "i've had it with all these mad men" through a cloud of cigarette smoke
― gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:41 (nine years ago) link
I did not know this:
In 1950, Robert Tarlton developed the first commercial cable television system in the United States. Tarlton organized a group of fellow television set retailers in Lansford, Pennsylvania, a town in the same region as Mahanoy City, to offer television signals from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania broadcast stations to homes in Lansford for a fee. The system was featured in stories in The New York Times, Newsweek and The Wall Street Journal. The publicity of this successful early system set off a wave of cable system construction throughout the United States, and Tarlton himself became a highly sought-after consultant.Tarlton used equipment manufactured by a new company, Jerrold Electronics. After seeing the success of the Tarlton system in 1950, Jerrold President Milton Shapp reorganized his company to build equipment for the now-growing cable industry. In 1952, Tarlton went to work for Jerrold, helping to construct most of the major systems built by that company in the 1950s. Tarlton was also responsible for training many of the major operators of cable systems in the 1950s. In 2003, Tarlton was inducted in the Cable Television Hall of Fame for his work building the first widely publicized cable television company in America.
Tarlton used equipment manufactured by a new company, Jerrold Electronics. After seeing the success of the Tarlton system in 1950, Jerrold President Milton Shapp reorganized his company to build equipment for the now-growing cable industry. In 1952, Tarlton went to work for Jerrold, helping to construct most of the major systems built by that company in the 1950s. Tarlton was also responsible for training many of the major operators of cable systems in the 1950s. In 2003, Tarlton was inducted in the Cable Television Hall of Fame for his work building the first widely publicized cable television company in America.
― “audience participation” otherwise known as “touching” (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 May 2015 20:43 (nine years ago) link
The show has actually been weaving in and out of four alternate realities, each one signified by a different Bobby Draper.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:45 (nine years ago) link
I think we should just go along with what the headhunter said and assume Peggy will do a few years there and move on and up.
― dan selzer, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
that sounds exciting
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:53 (nine years ago) link
like this is the last episode of a series that has focused really heavily on her, I don't think they're just going to leave things as they were established in the last couple episodes, that'd be pretty anticlimactic
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:54 (nine years ago) link
― silverfish, Friday, 15 May 2015 21:33
Pete and Don too. The place just seems so hostile to anyone with hopes or ambitions that I could see all the main characters leaving.
It won't happen but it would be great to see Lou's Tatsunoko cartoon crash and burn after a few episodes. Mort Walker ripoffs in Japan hardly seems like a recipe for success so I guess maybe it was intentionally showing that Lou wouldn't be a success?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 May 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link
I think the animation was just being done in Japan, not that it would be broadcast there
― Οὖτις, Friday, 15 May 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link
Shit, of course! That makes far more sense. But didn't having American cartoons animated by Japanese studios only become a thing in the 80s?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 May 2015 21:13 (nine years ago) link
Speaking of Lou, can I just mention how much I loved his final "Heh heh heh" to nobody after saying sayonara to Don?
― Sir Lord Baltimora (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 15 May 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link
I know this stuff doesn't have to stick to reality but I don't think Tatsunoko ever animated anything specifically for American audiences like Toei did loads of.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 May 2015 21:24 (nine years ago) link
Don't tell Lou! (I know Weiner said "No Spinoffs," but sure would like to see one about Lou vs. Japan)
― dow, Friday, 15 May 2015 21:36 (nine years ago) link
ad agencies are not a place where people thrive, much less women. they are pits of evil.btw Weiner explicitly disagrees with this, one reason i could never love this show.― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, May 15, 2015 3:34 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkMW basically sees agencies as... the CABLE TELEVISION of the '60s!― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, May 15, 2015 3:35 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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i like this reading, actually, would read an extended version of this theory. and yes ad agencies are horrible.
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 15 May 2015 21:43 (nine years ago) link
Tom and Lorenzo knocking it out of the park - great Mad Style post this week: http://tomandlorenzo.com/2015/05/mad-style-the-milk-and-honey-route/
And this is interesting I guess even though it feels like they're kinda reaching on some of these theories: http://themuse.jezebel.com/why-we-should-have-seen-betty-drapers-mad-men-fate-from-1704689270
― Roz, Friday, 15 May 2015 21:56 (nine years ago) link
One of my favourite Roger lines, after drunken Duck gets up and makes a fool of himself at the awards show: "God, I miss working with that guy." He says it like he really means it, and misses the walking disaster aspect of Duck.
― clemenza, Friday, 15 May 2015 22:37 (nine years ago) link
i think john slattery's line readings are probably the best thing about this show.
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 15 May 2015 22:41 (nine years ago) link
Roger really has the best personalityxp
it could just be Slattery's readings!
― ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, 15 May 2015 22:41 (nine years ago) link
http://themuse.jezebel.com/why-we-should-have-seen-betty-drapers-mad-men-fate-from-1704689270
this kind of shit makes me hate everything, mad men included.
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 15 May 2015 22:49 (nine years ago) link