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Well, I need to give her time to sort her head out. She sounds so decisive about it to the point of stunned callousness. It's so hard though, I would have preferred a more organic closure but this running away to Nottingham is so abrupt. I still love her; and I know what I've done wrong and I am willing to make much more of an effort for her. I know what I need to do. I just need her to find it in her heart to say she loves me. I am so so scared right now. I really don't want to lose her. She means more than anything to me. Space and time, space and time. But it's extremely hard. I want to talk to her, to phone her and have a chat, to e-mail her and tell her how I feel; but her head's all funny at the moment and she's not ready for that but I'm going mad stuck here unable to know where I stand. I want to let her go find what her heart feels but I'm going terminally insane with all the thought inside me.

I need to let her be, don't I? I've sent her e-mails, explaining how I feel, explaining how I can and will change, asking for a second chance, I just need to let it rest now until she's ready to come to me. I'm just scared she won't come to me and drive myself to death by not sleeping or eating or thinking other thoughts.

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:27 (twenty years ago) link

David, those things will happen anyway, but you won't die. This is the time for you to think seriously too, not just panicked "I can love her properly, I can!" thoughts.

Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:29 (twenty years ago) link

For now just give it a week, ok? IF she isn't in touch by then, think about contacting her.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:29 (twenty years ago) link

I need to let her be, don't I? I've sent her e-mails, explaining how I feel, explaining how I can and will change, asking for a second chance, I just need to let it rest now until she's ready to come to me.

That's exactly what you need to do. If you've already let her know how you feel and how you can make it up to her, you have to leave her alone for a little while and let her figure out what she wants to do.

Larcole (Nicole), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:31 (twenty years ago) link

I'm just sat here hitting refresh on my e-mail over and over. I'm going insane thinking about it but I can't bring myself to do anything else.

I can't believe she doesn't love me anymore.

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:33 (twenty years ago) link

(In a week things'll probably feel very, very different, is mostly what I meant). And also, stick to that. She knows.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

Being friends can work, however like Nick said I would be careful since I imagine your feelings for her are not anywhere near diminishable. If you were to become friends, which I'm sure will happen, I think you will have to spend some time apart from each other in order to gather your thoughts and clear your head from the break-up. The fact that the break-up was not a joint decision I think would make it harder on your part to be "just friends". Just take it easy and have some time out if possible. Look after yourself.

Mrmister, Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:38 (twenty years ago) link

In a week things'll probably feel very, very different.

This is what I hope; it's just a week is a long time when the minute hand never moves.

I'm feeling about 12 on Don Paterson's "Scale of Intensity":

1) Not felt. Smoke still rises vertically. In sensitive individuals, déjà vu, mild amnesia. Sea like a mirror.

2) Detected by persons at rest or favourably placed, i.e. in upper floors, hammocks, cathedrals, etc. Leaves rustle.

3) Light sleepers wake. Glasses chink. Hairpins, paperclips display slight magnetic properties. Irritability. Vibration like passing of light trucks.

4) Small bells ring. Small increase in surface tension and viscosity of certain liquids. Domestic violence. Furniture overturned.

5) Heavy sleepers wake. Pendulum clocks stop. Public demonstrations. Large flags fly. Vibration like passing of heavy trucks.

6) Large bells ring. Bookburning. Aurora visible in daylight hours. Unprovoked assaults on strangers. Glassware broken. Loose tiles fly from roof.

7) Weak chimneys broken off at roofline. Waves on small ponds, water turbid with mud. Unprovoked assaults on neighbours. Large static charges built up on windows, mirrors, television screens.

8) Perceptible increase in weight of stationary objects: books, cups, pens heavy to lift. Fall of stucco and some masonry. Systematic rape of women and young girls. Sand craters. Cracks in wet ground.

9) Small trees uprooted. Bathwater drains in reverse vortex. Wholesale slaughter of religious and ethnic minorities. Conspicuous cracks in ground. Damage to reservoirs and underground pipelines.

10) Large trees uprooted. Measurable tide in puddles, teacups, etc. Torture and rape of small children. Irreparable damage to foundations. Rails bend. Sand shifts horizontally on beaches.

11) Standing impossible. Widespread self-mutilation. Corposant visible on pylons, lampposts, metal railings. Waves seen on ground surface. Most bridges destroyed.

12) Damage total. Movement of hour hand perceptible. Large rock masses displaced. Sea white.

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:39 (twenty years ago) link

David, get up, turn the computer off, go outside. The absolute worst thing you can do is keep hitting *refresh*. She needs time and space, you've said this yourself so you obviously recognise it even if you can't accept it right now.

"If you love something, set it free; if it comes back then it is truly meant to be."

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:39 (twenty years ago) link

people don't just turn feelings off like that. she's probably as raw as you right now so giver her some time before you say any more, but you do really need to go out, take a walk, find a wide open space and shout your lungs out, get shitfaced and fall over (but keep away from phones if you do this), listen to some music, go to the cinema (not to 28 Days Later, this movie is enough to make you lose the will to live altogether), talk to some friends, anything other than sitting and stewing - that's the last thing you should do. good luck mate, i've mailed you and will prob be around for a bit tonight if you want a natter...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:40 (twenty years ago) link

David that is awful I am so so sorry, I'm sending you an interweb hug too, wish I could think of something helpful to say...

smee (smee), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:42 (twenty years ago) link

I know a week seems impossibly long right now, really. But you can do it, and I think it'd be for the best.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:42 (twenty years ago) link

give it time David. Big hugs from me. Let her sort her head out.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:43 (twenty years ago) link

DO NOT LISTEN TO "KATY SONG"!

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:45 (twenty years ago) link

Someone suggest something to do for an hour before I go spare; please.

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:57 (twenty years ago) link

Take a walk, it's nice out.

smee (smee), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:58 (twenty years ago) link

OK, here goes. Put a lock on your computer. Pour yourself a drink. Alphabetise your record collection, taking care to listen to lots and lots of your favourite songs. Big weepy heartbreak ballads especially. Have a huge cry. Listen to more music. Have another drink. STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER OR YOUR PHONE (except to phone/write your friends). Cry some more. This is a natural part of healing. Concentrate on listening to songs that make you weep. Because even though they will make you cry, and every sad soppy sentimental heartbreak song will hit you in a way that you never dreamed, and hit you harder than you imagined - you will after a while start to realise that this is natural. That a lot of people go through it. It won't make you hurt any less, but it will make you feel less alone.

kate (kate), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 14:00 (twenty years ago) link

As kate said. Then go walking. Then phone me. Just get the fuck away from the PC.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 14:02 (twenty years ago) link

Like everyone else is saying, wait a week. She says she needs space, so give her space. Then give her more. I'd been going out with my (now) fiancee for 3 years when I decided/thought I didn't love her, so I stopped it, felt awful and guilty and determined, didn't talk for a bit then did again and was on my way to rationalising it all when she said "I can't cope with this, I don't want to talk to you or hear from you for 2 weeks". And it was then - well, after those two weeks - that I started realising how wrong I'd been. 'Staying friends' is all very well but it's no good if it's not what you both want, and it also keeps the situation in the control of the dumper not the dumpee.

As for RIGHT NOW - company company company. If you're alone the chances are much higher you'll end up phoning/writing/hitting refresh etc etc. You need people around you who are going to talk about the rest of the universe rather than your collapsed bit of it.

The only other advice I'd give is to make sure you don't say anything that can never be taken back.

I hope you don't even read this post until tomorrow!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

I would do that but I'm not at home; some naive part of me wants to stay here in Glasgow, at Katy's, surrounded by her smells and pictures, waiting for her. I know this is probably having a more detrimental effect than if I was at home but I need this, I need to stay here to, I suppose, wind down from, and out of, the situation. I'm being very careful about my language here. It's as if if I don't say it's over then it won't be, which I know is silly, and young, and immature but it's the way I feel. I really appreciate everyone's (posters and e-mailers) help; I don't know what I'm going to do. All I can do is wait and cry and pray and hope, I suppose. (Sorry for excessive effusions of emotion).

I've read your post, Tom.

What does 'don't say anything that can never be taken back' mean? I'm getting away from this computer now. See how it all looks in the morning.

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 14:07 (twenty years ago) link

Ok then if listening to sad music will help for a cry LISTEN TO KATY SONG by Red House Painters.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 14:09 (twenty years ago) link

Some escape some door to open
This path seems the blackest
But I guess it's the soonest

But there in the clearing
I know you'll be wearing
Your young aching smile
And waving your hand

Can't go with my heart
When I can't feel what's in it
I thought you'd come over
But for some reason you didn't glass
On the pavement under my shoe
Without you is all my life amounts to

A final sleep
No words from my cutting
Mouth to your ear
Or taut wicked pinches
From my fingers to your bitter face
That I can't heal

I know tomorrow you will be
Somewhere in London
Living with someone
You've got some kind of family
There to turn to
And that's more than
I could ever give you

A chance for calm
A hope for freedom
Outlet from my cold solitary kingdom
By the forest of our spring stay
Where you walked away

And left a bleeding part of me
Empty and bothered
Watching the water
Quiet in the corner
Numb and falling through
Without you what does my life amount to

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 14:10 (twenty years ago) link

It's just referring to saying heat-of-the-moment things - not so much to her but to friends. You might well be more temperate than me but one of the urges I had when people (even close people) 'didn't understand' in this sort of situation was to try to hurt them so they could understand more. Luckily I didn't follow it.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

Tico, if you can be bothered / have the time / the ears, can you e-mail me (0006335h@student.gla.ac.uk) - I'd really like to talk to you in more detail / in private discretely, if that's OK?

David. (Cozen), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 15:03 (twenty years ago) link

*blows centuries of dust off e-mail account*

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 15:14 (twenty years ago) link

Chris: the end of Katy Song defines sadness to me. I'M STAYING THE FUCK AWAY FROM IT.

Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 15:22 (twenty years ago) link

If you wanted Kates remedy listen to it by all means, but I strongly recommend not listening to any Red House Painters. Even though they helped me out through tough times, they may not help everyone.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 15:26 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, maybe I should listen to them and nothing else. I haven't cried in 9 years.

Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 15:46 (twenty years ago) link

*good thoughts for all...*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 16:03 (twenty years ago) link

This is probably my last post to ilx. I'm not so vain as to be announcing my departure, I just thought I'd slink off from this sport in the shadow.

It's pretty much over for the time being. I think. Only time will tell how this all resolves. I still love her. She doesn't love me. Not currently, anyway. And that's fine. My heart and head have accepted this. I'm not going to love someone who doesn't love me back. The doors always open for her, she knows this.

I think that a large part of the blame for my degeneration has to fall at ilx's feet. Or rather at that part of me which is compulsive / addictive about it and I need to go away and really just reset from this whole experience. I've made a lot of friends, and a lot of contacts, I suppose, to look at it callously. I hope some of you remember me. I'll probably lurk for a while, mop up some of the responses to this thread, but this is pretty much me signing out.

I'm not scared of my name anymore,

David Howie (Cozen), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 19:36 (twenty years ago) link

David, I'll be sorry if you go, but if you need to readjust, then I sort of understand, and wish you very good luck. I'll continue to regard you as a friend, and I hope you'll remember that, if you ever need to.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

Beer's on me, Dave.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 21:01 (twenty years ago) link

I'm almost in tears right now myself, but selfish horrible bastard I am it's not for the surely lovely Cozen but for myself. Life is unfair, things don't make sesne, people don't act the way you expect them to and you were lucky to have found love and happiness at all. My adored ex broke up with me over two years ago and I'd be lying if I said I've recovered. These feelings diminish, get pushed to the side, covered over temporarily by other stuff etc., but unless you can point to something that went wrong and say 'there, that was it', having someone just stop loving you doesn't make sense and just plainly sucks. Naturally you have my sympathies; my one piece of advice would be don't become a drug addict.

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 23:06 (twenty years ago) link

This is the kind of emo thread I want to say things on but can't think of anything. But best wishes David.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 23:09 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, david i wish you were on AIM right now, cuz i know you think i hate you and all but i do not.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 23:10 (twenty years ago) link

Jesus, 'best wishes' is so lame.

Anyway, I wanted to say before how touched I am when people in distress bother to look for another thread to post to, rather than start their own.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 23 July 2003 23:14 (twenty years ago) link

You'll be much missed. Where d'you live? If I meet you, I'll buy you a pint.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 24 July 2003 07:52 (twenty years ago) link

Keep on writing David but if it's not on ILM that's OK!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 24 July 2003 07:56 (twenty years ago) link

Err. Oops.

David. (Cozen), Friday, 1 August 2003 14:50 (twenty years ago) link

seven months pass...
god... I still totally miss her. wtf?!

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 12 March 2004 00:34 (twenty years ago) link

yeah it never really gets easier

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 March 2004 00:36 (twenty years ago) link

though i think i hate her now too

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 March 2004 00:37 (twenty years ago) link

so that's something

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 March 2004 00:37 (twenty years ago) link

haha you read my strokes thing, right?

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 12 March 2004 00:37 (twenty years ago) link

but yeah. : /

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 12 March 2004 00:38 (twenty years ago) link

: (

RJG (RJG), Friday, 12 March 2004 00:39 (twenty years ago) link

first paragraph.

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 12 March 2004 00:39 (twenty years ago) link

life goes on
and so do we
just how we do it
is no mystery
one by one
we fill the days
we find a thousand different ways
sometimes the answers can be hard to find
that's something i will never be
i'm always there
for anything that you need

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 March 2004 00:40 (twenty years ago) link

RICHARD MULLIGAN KNOWS WHATS UP

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 March 2004 00:40 (twenty years ago) link

the ice cream will never hurt me

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 12 March 2004 00:47 (twenty years ago) link


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