Strange Tales of Hassidic Jews

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it's mostly lubavitchers, it specifically fits in with their messianic mandate.

anyway, i'm not really pissed off about, live and let live, they pretty much never talk to me so i have no reason to be upset, and i could care less if they think i'm a "real jew" or not.

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

they're interesting, though, in that they don't go off and live in isolated rural communities but actively live in Babylon cheek by jowl with the infidel.

an article about kiryas joel, NY

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Strict Hassidics don't believe in foreplay and believe procreation shall be achieved fully clothed without skin touching... through a hole cut in the sheet between the male and female.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Seriously, it's a lot of fun. You MUST try it.

I'd still rather be in Tokyo (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd lend you my sheet but...well, you know.

I'd still rather be in Tokyo (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I don't practice at ALL, and I'm sure the specific Hassids I run into see me as some sort of odd disgrace since they know my mother.

A pro of the Hassidic community: it is good for my mom, who suffers from severe bipolar disorder and they are obligated to take care of her, basically. I think the incredibly strict structure is good for her as well, as irritating as I find it.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

the immediate Jewish community of my hometown is served by the local Reform temple (the only temple for miles), they had a great rabbi while I was going up, getting bar mitzvah'd, etc. The Hassids moved in sometime when I was a teen and started trying to "poach" families from the congregation - the Hasidic rabbi proceeded to regularly monitor the local hospitals for any Jewish patients, so that he would be immediately on-hand to minister to them. Of course, this was deeply insulting to OUR rabbi, and put him in a super-awkward situation since what would happen would be a family in crisis would call him and tell him to come to the hospital, and he would arrive to find the Hassidic rabbi already there, trying to convert the entire family.

Hasids came to my house twice as a teenager. One time my mom answered the door and they recoiled in shock when she almost touched them welcoming them into our house, saying they couldn't touch her because she was "unclean". My mom was livid.

The Hassids also rallied heavily against any municipal Christmas displays, insisting that Jewish symbols be given equal time. This amounted to a gaudy, completely unnecessary giant electrical menorah going up on the main street in town. I assume it was modeled on the giant electrical menorah that the Hassidic Rabbi had attached to the top of his station wagon. All this did was exacerbate tensions between the Jewish and Christian communities, and the Jewish and Hassidic communities (most of the Reform congregation are not big on ostentatious public displays of either Judaism OR Christianity).

this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Strict Hassidics don't believe in foreplay and believe procreation shall be achieved fully clothed without skin touching... through a hole cut in the sheet between the male and female.

I guess you didn't see the episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where this custom was reviewed.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link

plus the ultra-right-wing political nonsense that comes out of these communities is almost as insulting as the smarmy, self-righteous religious proselytizing.

x-post

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I wear things like long skirts just because I like them, so Ive been mistaken for jewish more than once in my local area.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

shakey the hasids in your community MAY not be exactly like the millions of other hasids in the world you know!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean maybe they just have a really obnoxious and aggressive rabbi! like i said, i live in a HEAVILY hasidic community and barring a couple of minor flare-ups, nothing like that has ever gone down.

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess you didn't see the episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where this custom was reviewed.

Haha, really? What season was that in?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link

There's not enough strange tales of Hassidic Jews on this thread. More photoshop head/swap stories, giant electrical menorahs, and bedsheets with holes in them, plz.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been madly imagoogling for that cool jewish rabbi from the film Pi but I cant find any images, he looks amazing and is filmed so well.

"you are a messenger from OUR GOD. You are carrying a DELIVERY that was meant for US!".

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Uhh "jewish rabbi", duhhh trayce.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

He seems a lot like Billy Crystal that guy!

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

"i live in a HEAVILY hasidic community and barring a couple of minor flare-ups, nothing like that has ever gone down. "

I doubt we had a more aggressive Hassidic rabbi than Rebbe Schneerson. fuck that megalomaniac.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Steve: no I didnt mean the young jew in the film obsessed with the number thing, but yeah hehe he is great! Smoking like a chimney "oh Im sorry is that bothering you? I'll put it out"

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha, really? What season was that in?

Season Four, I think it was the 2nd or 3rd last episode. Gina Gershon played a Hassidic Jew who wasn't very observant, shall we say. Larry wanted to sleep with her and cash in on his 10th anniversary present.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

There are homes in my street with big banners out front that say "MOSIACH IS COMING - LETS BE READY WITH ACTS OF GOODNESS AND KINDNESS". And vans wot drive about with menorah on the roof.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

your point is shakey...?

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I dont mean to make light of the jewish faith at all but where I grew up there were no jewish people at all so movig to Melbourne I find this so fascinating.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

slock1 you do know who Schneerson was, right?

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I dunno slock1 maybe they aren't hassling you because they don't know you're Jewish (or do they...? I'm just asking) I don't know for certain what the relations are between the NY Hassids and the other NY Jewish communities but I imagine they are not all peachy keen... in my experience the only group that sparks similar ire in mainstream Jewish communities are the Jews for Jesus.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah... i get the point that some hasids are obnoxious dude, i just don't think it means they ALL are, that they ALL use the same tactics and ALL have the same goals. i mean the lubavitchers are pretty singular

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

and look at the satmars!! they're really not a homogenous group

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been madly imagoogling for that cool jewish rabbi from the film Pi but I cant find any images, he looks amazing and is filmed so well.

he is quite funny. I got the impression his initial numerology pitch is what they teach you on page one of "Kabbalah for Tards".

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

damn. i grew up in a lubavich school (K-12 all the way). it's nuts. it's TOTALLY internal prosletizing. I resent the hell out of it. It has its good sides and bad sides - the isolationsim and prosletizing parts are the worst.

but, not all are so isolationist, the lubavichers especially, although the reason they arent is basically just so they can get more diverse and scattered fallen jews into the fold.

on another note, that day in June must have been Lag B'omer. it's a day for being out in the fields havin fun, traditionally bows and arrows, but i cant remember why quite.

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

incidently, schneerson is worshiped by some almost like Jesus. In fact, when he died some people were saying he'd rise up from the dead to be the messiah, and they were quoting Isaiah 53 etc - basically lots of things christianity does all the time and Jews sort of shove under the rug in their interpretation of messianic prophecy.

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not sure I'm familiar with the Satmars, are they one of those groups that won't recognize the state of Israel...?

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, something like that. they think it's interfering with god's plan.

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

yup. no israel until moshiach.

when israeli politicos visit NYC they protest at their hotels!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

i thought that it was only the lubavichers who "proselytize" among other jews. so other hasidim also do this?!?
Don't Satmars also proseltyize?

I was working in Park Slope a couple months ago and a this Lubavicher, who tried to convince to put on t'fillin ("you don't have to be religious to wear t'fillin!"), gave me the Lubavicher newsletter "for Jews everywhere". There was an article based on an extended metaphor of life as a journey and religion being "what you pack" but the set-up took forever and read like a ridiculously broad parody of stereotypical Jewish neurosis--"when you're packing for a trip, it's hard to know what to bring? Should I bring this suit or that suit? Do I need boot and shoes? Will I be attending formal and informal events? WHAT IF IT RAINS?!" etc

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

A favorite early '90s sight in East Village gay bar's backroom: 40ish Hassidic man making out with young black man.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

O no I didnt mean the tard "hey look the letters make NUMBERS omg!" guy - theres a later scene where they bail up Max Cohen after he has an attack and hes in a synagogue (i guess?) and a rabbi with a HUGE beard is bearing down on Max ranting about god and the Message and so on - whomever that actor was, he was amazing.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not sure I'm familiar with the Satmars, are they one of those groups that won't recognize the state of Israel...?

yup. they're also the hasidics that people are most likely to encounter in williamsburg (b/c that's where they live -- there and upstate in kiryas joel, NY). they are pretty much the mortal enemies of the lubavichers (who live in crown heights). dunno whether the satmars proselytize as much as the lubavichers, or if they don't proselytize at all.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Did anyone see that documentary on the NYC gay Hassidic community that Zorn did the soundtrack for? It sounded pretty fascinating.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

trembling in the presence of g-d? no, but i always wanted to

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

haha - Morby's story is my favorite so far. Cuz its all about the the LOVE (or at least the HOT SEX)

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

from what I understand (ie, i'm about 80% sure this is correct) the lubavichers/chabad movement was the first hasidic movement to actively prosletize. That is, the first ones to say " we need to actively search out lost jews and brin them in" and it's part of their messianic theology. Other hasidic groups either disagreed flat out, or just didnt actively search for people.

because of the influence of chabad/lubavich now i think that other groups have started their own programs.

my rabbi/teacher during high school grew up in a non-lubavich hasidic group. at around 18 he fell in with the lubavichers. his mother cried as if he'd converted to christianity.

AaronK (AaronK), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

there's also a growing hasidic community on the other side of the hudson river -- in union city, NJ (which otherwise is a largely hispanic town). i don't know what their "sect" of hasidism is. anyway, they've pretty much set up their own community over there (complete with those religious "borders" that marks off their territory for sabbath purposes -- don't know what they're called).

anyway, i used to work at a firm where one of the attorneys is an orthodox rabbi (in westchester county). i became pretty friendly w/ the rabbi, and he used to have some pretty not-nice things to say about the hasidim. i think that they embarrassed him.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

The amusement park that turns Jews into Christians won it's legal battle for a tax break. Not quite on topic as its only a strange tale that could possibly involve Hassidic Jews.

Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

re: the Satmars' disapproval of the state of Israel - I understand this is not uncommon among conservative sects in Israel as well, since they think that the Israeli state is TOO secular and thus not legitimate. While I have my own issues with the state of Israel and kind of wish it didn't exist at all, obviously I can't get with such theocratic reasoning. The amount of strife ultra-orthodox activists foment in Israel is unforgiveable (see the thread about the Gaza settlers, the assassination of Netanyahu, ad nauseam)

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

assassination of Netanyahu

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gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Did anyone see that documentary on the NYC gay Hassidic community that Zorn did the soundtrack for?

"Trembling Before G-d", yes, I saw it (I forgot that Zorn did the soundtrack!). I didn't walk away from it enlightened or anything, as it plays out as you'd expect (i.e. "my family doesn't understand me, I can't change my faith or my sexual orientation, G-d understands") but it's quite poignant nonethless.

(hmmm, my comment doesn't read like an endorsement, but it is)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

(sorry, Rabin not Netanyahu)

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

if there are actively-recruiting chabad/lubavitchers in our neighborhood they are making very discreet top-secret work of it

jones (actual), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

My parents live in a largely Jewish area of London. but still very little Hassids.

I remember reading somewhere that there are more Lubavitchers than Hassidim in London, mainly around stamford hill.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link


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