the commander guy
― jennifer islam (silby), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 02:58 (nine years ago) link
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Oh1HHcXo--/19aerwsa364gdgif.gif
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 03:00 (nine years ago) link
today's WashPo/ABC poll:
http://i.imgur.com/vBKrLex.jpg
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:05 (nine years ago) link
other/no opinion 2016
― bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link
did Bobby Jindal somehow slip into 0%? his May dot doesn't even exist
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:12 (nine years ago) link
Biden surging ahead!
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link
the {candidate X is formidable} is aa strange election cycle tradition, like of course they were formidable in their home states otherwise they wldnt have made it to the presidential candidate level, but it says very little about whether theyll be able to out perform the other candidates who were also formidable at the state level http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/05/jeb-bush-2016-campaign.html
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:33 (nine years ago) link
tho this one at least has a il info abt jebs shady business dealings
He also got involved in what to my mind is his most eyebrow-raising venture. In 2007, Jeb became a consultant to a company named InnoVida, whose CEO claimed to have cheap, ready-to-build temporary homes for victims of earthquakes and other natural disasters. Later, he joined the company’s board of directors. There was just one problem: The CEO, Claudio Osorio, was lying. His business was largely imaginary. Eventually, an investor in InnoVida sued. Osorio pleaded guilty to fraud and is now in jail. InnoVida declared bankruptcy.
In court records, Jeb claims he was acting in good faith when he served as a consultant to the company. (He’s since returned $270,000, though the company’s trustees sought nearly $470,000.) His spokeswoman, Kristy Campbell, adds that the governor hired a former federal-law-enforcement agent to conduct a background check on Osorio and his company. “The report he received,” she says, “didn’t have any red flags that indicated criminal or financial wrongdoing.”
But Linda Worton Jackson, the lawyer who represented InnoVida’s creditors, points out that even the simplest form of due diligence — namely, consulting the internet — should have raised those red flags.
“A simple Google search would have shown that Osorio had already committed the same type of fraud,” says Jackson. It’s true: Even in 2007, it was possible to punch Osorio’s name into Google and find a lawsuit over a bogus electronics concern he’d founded. In fact, Osorio had been sued several times for fleecing investors before 2007. Had the investigator gone to the clerk’s office at the federal court in Miami, he would have discovered this, including a subsequent class-action suit against the electronics company, in which it was called a “fraudulent scheme.” And there were plenty of warning signs about InnoVida itself: Nine months before Jeb climbed aboard, a judge evicted the company from its factory space. One of its part owners had also been convicted of selling cocaine. “Jeb was paid $15,000 a month,” Jackson adds. “That’s a lot of money to be a consultant to a company you know nothing about.” To say nothing of being on its board. He attended at least two meetings. “You do not generally see politicians on the board of directors of a Ponzi scheme,” she says. “That’s what’s unusual here.”
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:35 (nine years ago) link
that chart is what one expects in the gen public's No One Is Paying Any Heed period.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link
hmm yeah that is worse than Jeb's schools racket, hadn't heard of that before
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, June 2, 2015 12:36 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
actually the fact that theres no clear front runner on the republican side is atypical
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:50 (nine years ago) link
or even forget no clear front runner the fact that no one can crack 12%
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:51 (nine years ago) link
walker has kochmentum!
― Aimless, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link
Jeb Bush could! Until people took a closer look.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:00 (nine years ago) link
i hope rand paul stays in the race as long as possible to keep the issue of surveillance, etc. in the debates
that said, i suspect that once he opens his mouth about other stuff, he'll cease to be a credible candidate
kind of like his dad
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
feel like he has a strong enough built in base that he shd be able to hang in at least through the first few primary states
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:29 (nine years ago) link
I expect him to stick around the longest tbh
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:33 (nine years ago) link
Inno-Fraudo-Da-Vida, J. E.,Don't consult for a con man
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
well yeah i think the intensity of the paul fanbase will mean he sticks around far past the point when he ceases to be a credible candidate for the nomination
...again, like his dad
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
yup
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
morbs otm about "no one is paying any heed," I think. bear in mind that at this point in 1999, neither bush nor gore had even officially announced yet even if they were presumed frontrunners (obv in case of gore). the whole W vs. mccain (plus the third-tier goof troop) thing wasn't even rolling until the fall at least. giuliani was the presumed front-runner at this point in 2007 IIRC.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
giuliani was the presumed front-runner at this point in 2007 IIRC.
This still delights me a great deal.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:55 (nine years ago) link
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, June 2, 2015 1:47 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
he is much more legit than his dad tho, while not being actually legit, tho he might end up doing worse if the libertarian bases isnt as pumped on him
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 17:58 (nine years ago) link
is much more legit than his dad tho, while not being actually legit
you could be hired on the cable, joe
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 18:13 (nine years ago) link
Morning Lagoon
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 18:14 (nine years ago) link
i wish! if anyone from fox new is reading this call me i will say whatever u want
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
giuliani was the presumed front-runner at this point in 2007 IIRC.This still delights me a great deal.― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, June 2, 2015 12:55 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, June 2, 2015 12:55 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i still remember a conversation with a professor, who is the smartest person i know, and he insisted that guiliani would be our next president, a prognostication which filled me with fear
smart people can be very wrong!
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 18:32 (nine years ago) link
(btw the professor was equally horrified by his own prognostication)
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 18:33 (nine years ago) link
i look forward to walker failing
although i would look forward even more to him being swallowed up by a quicksand-like vat of pig shit
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
Yes. I should note that many of these guys run to give them leverage when their agents negotiate FOX and ABC "This Week" contracts.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link
oh i think walker really, really wants the brass ring
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link
and so do Bush and Rubio. But Fiorini and Santorum? Their contracts are up.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link
huckabee is the most obvious example
it'd almost (/almost/) be funny if by some bizarre twist rand paul actually ended up with the nomination. he'd probably be at least as freaked out as any of us. no way he actually expects to be president.
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 18:49 (nine years ago) link
I don't think Rand Paul is running for the 2016 presidency, but I definitely think he's running for the 2020 or 2024 presidency. His hat's in the ring now as a "different" kind of Republican, and now he'll have 4-8 years to balance that with ingratiating himself with the GOP establishment.
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:13 (nine years ago) link
Randy's playing some long game yeah
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:14 (nine years ago) link
He's made a big show of reaching out to nontraditional Republican constituencies, and unlike his dad, he doesn't seem like an old crackpot. I imagine his hope is that, within the next 4-12 years, the GOP/general polity shifts closer to his "soft" libertarianism, and he shifts a little to the traditionally conservative side while still giving off the "optimist with new ideas" vibe.
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:18 (nine years ago) link
"optimist with new ideas and clothes two sizes too big for him" vibe.
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link
I think intheblanks is right about the hope of a continuing libertarian shift, but I think it's a losing game for Rand Paul. People can pull off "newcomer with new ideas" sometimes when coming from a governorship - they're relatively "new" nationally and they've had some space to say "We tried this innovative program in my state, and accomplished X and Y." Within the next 4 to 12 years, Senator Rand Paul will have racked up a ton of votes on a ton of little bills and will seem a lot more like a boring old politician, by then in his 60s, hair graying. Obviously this isn't universal - McCain somehow managed to make "maverick" stick on himself - but you really can't be the youthful force of big zesty ideas forever.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:23 (nine years ago) link
agreed thats prob what rands thinking, tho of course libertarianism is intrinsically a niche brand
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:25 (nine years ago) link
new ideas including climate change denial and ill-fitting clothes xps
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:26 (nine years ago) link
he doesn't seem like an old crackpot.
give it time
― he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:27 (nine years ago) link
i don't think the increased frequency of IRL climate catastrophes will be good for "govt should do as little as possible."
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link
(except for maybe a full-on End Days evangelical)
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link
both pauls are complete dipshits and the fact that a notable amount of ppl my age (mid/late 20s) think that they're like, even halfway decent politicians - bc oh wow rand paul is anti-spying and ron is cool with teh drug legalization - is horrifying to me
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link
on a similar note a week or so ago (maybe 2) glenn greenwald was repeatedly RTing rand paul anti-NSA quotes - like at least a half-dozen! - and i thought "uhhhh glenn...he doesn't really regard u as human, his dad is cool with u but otherwise a dipshit so maybe could u not do that"
― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:32 (nine years ago) link
greenwald is fundamentally a libertarian dipshit himself reason why everyone hates him
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:33 (nine years ago) link
that and he writes like a lawyer
@Doctor Casino
Yeah, you may well be right. Paul's best hope is probably a win for Hillary, a disappointing Clinton presidency, then he roles in in 2020 with his record of "GOP brand sucks"/moderated drug policy/bucking the establishment on NSA, while still having solid conservative positions to win over GOP folks.
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:34 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, and Obama is a mass murderer but Sotomayor was a good SCOTUS appointment. So, your point?
xxxp
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:35 (nine years ago) link
― intheblanks,
whoa there champ
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 19:36 (nine years ago) link