Your 2016 Presidential Candidate Speculation Thread

i don't think the increased frequency of IRL climate catastrophes will be good for "govt should do as little as possible."

(except for maybe a full-on End Days evangelical)

both pauls are complete dipshits and the fact that a notable amount of ppl my age (mid/late 20s) think that they're like, even halfway decent politicians - bc oh wow rand paul is anti-spying and ron is cool with teh drug legalization - is horrifying to me

on a similar note a week or so ago (maybe 2) glenn greenwald was repeatedly RTing rand paul anti-NSA quotes - like at least a half-dozen! - and i thought "uhhhh glenn...he doesn't really regard u as human, his dad is cool with u but otherwise a dipshit so maybe could u not do that"

greenwald is fundamentally a libertarian dipshit himself reason why everyone hates him

that and he writes like a lawyer

@Doctor Casino

Yeah, you may well be right. Paul's best hope is probably a win for Hillary, a disappointing Clinton presidency, then he roles in in 2020 with his record of "GOP brand sucks"/moderated drug policy/bucking the establishment on NSA, while still having solid conservative positions to win over GOP folks.

Yeah, and Obama is a mass murderer but Sotomayor was a good SCOTUS appointment. So, your point?

xxxp

Yeah, you may well be right. Paul's best hope is probably a win for Hillary, a disappointing Clinton presidency, then he roles in in 2020 with his record of "GOP brand sucks"/moderated drug policy/bucking the establishment on NSA, while still having solid conservative positions to win over GOP folks.

― intheblanks,

whoa there champ

Just to be clear, not the country's best hope, just feel like that's Rand Paul's road to the presidency. The climate change denial part is of keeping mostly orthodox GOP views.

that is, people can be praised for one stand in isolation from others, depending on the context. xxp

Yeah, and Obama is a mass murderer but Sotomayor was a good SCOTUS appointment. So, your point?

― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, June 2, 2015 3:35 PM (52 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just a lot of ppl dont understand why they/other ppl hate glenn greenwald and i am explaining their feelings to them

Yeah, you may well be right. Paul's best hope is probably a win for Hillary, a disappointing Clinton presidency, then he roles in in 2020 with his record of "GOP brand sucks"/moderated drug policy/bucking the establishment on NSA, while still having solid conservative positions to win over GOP folks.

― intheblanks,

whoa there champ

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, June 2, 2015 12:36 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha, fair point. "Clinton's disappointing presidency" is a bit of a pointless speculation/reach, but I think that the other stuff is still probably Paul's strategy for 2020 or 2024.

there are good things about him too tho like he lives in the jungle with a dog pack

i suppose it was an enemy-of-my-enemy approach in glenn's mind - and was specifically referring to rand paul not being down with gay people afaict

One of the better ambivalent R. Paul posts: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a35380/rand-paul-patriot-act/

never 4get:

http://www.out.com/sites/out.com/files/GlennGreenwald1.jpg

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/08/04/business/04CARRjp1/04CARRjp1-articleLarge.jpg

thats only like 15% of their dogs

flip-flops and dogs and Brazilian hot dog – the glamorous life.

insert "needs a man's touch" joek

I was grossed out when the NYT profile said the house stank of dog tbh

whatd u expect he lives in a sweaty ass jungle with 45 dogs

sweaty ass is all I can expect

likely pref to the smog of cologne in a Miami disco

no discos in Miami since Tony Romero diddled Michele Pfeiffer.

tsk tsk get the name right or say hello to my little etc

was gonna say

in a Miami disco nobody can hear you snort

Huckabuck keeps the chuckles comin!

GG's praise for the pauls is super-misguided but he is not a libertarian, 'fundamentally' or otherwise

Paul says plenty of stuff I agree with (primarily foreign policy-related) but I have no illusions that he's a dangerous, disingenuous idealogue asshole so it's p much the stopped clock phenomenon at work

i haven't seen GG "praising" so much as pointing out anomalies in the MSN Two Polarized Parties binary, similar to when he identifies the issues on which Obama, Peter King and Mitch McConnell are in lockstep.

MSM, that is

huckabee is the fucking worst

there's stiff competition for that title

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzy0FgCYdGM

GG's praise for the pauls is super-misguided but he is not a libertarian, 'fundamentally' or otherwise

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, June 2, 2015 5:41 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

greenwald has some documented libertarian skeletons in his closet and its a pretty clear thread in his poltiical philosophy on the occasions you can see anything resembling a philosophy through the constant calling everyone in the world venal dishonest hitlers

everyone in the world, huh

you have to read to the 12th update

gg retweeted p4reene the other day, and that guy likes the Minnesota Vikings

truly an enemy to freedom everywhere

Chafeemania!

"I don't think anybody should be president of the United States that made that mistake" of voting for the Iraq War, Chafee told The Post in April. "It's a huge mistake, and we live with broad, broad ramifications today — of instability not only in the Middle East but far beyond and the loss of American credibility. There were no weapons of mass destruction."

have to agree w/ this.

that said, i have no illusions that had obama been a senator in 2002, he would have voted for the war. it was his privilege not to have been in federal office when that vote came up, a privilege that allowed him to run as an anti-war candidate.

so in that chaffee is very much to obama's left.

yeah I agree w that sentiment too

that said, i have no illusions that had obama been a senator in 2002

not so sure about this either - 21 Dems in the Senate voted against it you know

yeah i suppose it's possible, i'm basing this on how obama behaved as a senator and then president

chafee doesn't have a prayer in hell but he's a serious guy and probably the sort of person who should be running for president (although i have many differences w/ him).