Arriving as Democratic and Republican lawmakers faced off at Nationals Park, Obama was greeted with chants of "TPA! TPA!" from the GOP side — the acronym for the Trade Promotion Authority fast track bill.
i was at this game and the same drunk interns chanting TPA were begging us to put our banner down so they could get their insta of the president
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:59 (nine years ago) link
obama is a pretty big neoliberal right? i think he sincerely believes in the power of free trade, so it's not crazy to think he really believes in TPP as a huge stimulus to the world and US economy.― Mordy, Friday, June 12, 2015 3:51 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Mordy, Friday, June 12, 2015 3:51 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ding ding ding
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link
at the least, i think--given his rhetoric about tpp opponents 'living in the past'--he believes he's acknowledging the realities of globalization and trying to make trade work accordingly. i think he's wrong that those realities are inevitable.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:04 (nine years ago) link
yeah, all this time it should be clear that he's an american consensus true believer
anyway, do we have any kansan ilxors? this shit is like watching wile e coyote realize the tunnel entrance is a painted rock
http://www.kansascity.com/news/government-politics/article23744494.html
― goole, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:12 (nine years ago) link
x-post--I emailed my Virginia Dem rep re my opposition to TPP, and he emailed me back his cliched business Democrat/small business owner reasons for supporting it, as well as mentioning that he had to stand with the President.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:19 (nine years ago) link
^ that's exactly the response I'd get from my rep (Kurt Schraeder D-OR).
(shakes fist)
― Aimless, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:25 (nine years ago) link
the other thing about that digny piece is it only is trying to explain why he's unwilling to allow the anti-slavary language to pass (bc it wouldn't let malaysia in). obv that particular provision wouldn't apply to most of the other potential partners
― Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/obama-trade-vote-meeting-with-democrats-118937.html#ixzz3criYblGc
The Hill trip followed another scrambled appearance Thursday night to the annual Congressional baseball game at Nationals Park. He didn’t mention trade, but the crowd of lawmakers and staffers knew that that’s what his unscheduled visit was about. Republicans, who generally support the legislation, greeted the president with cheers using the bill’s acronym — “TPA, TPA!”
― goole, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
http://i60.tinypic.com/9az7yh.png
― Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
rep gregory meeks (D-NY) on floor right now explicitly stating that if we don't pass a comprehensive trade bill, china will
― Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:46 (nine years ago) link
what channel is PRC-SPAN on, anyway
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link
this is showing on CPN1H for me - channel 1217
― Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:51 (nine years ago) link
Ted Cruz: An Error Occurred
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link
reps are really angry about the bill not addressing currency manipulation
― Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link
took me a few seconds to remember where i recognized paul ryan's babyface from
― Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:58 (nine years ago) link
pelosi sounds like she's a 'no' vote?
― Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link
FAIL
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
Pretty sure Obama is pushing hard for this because the sole purpose of government these days is to make corporations richer and lock down their precious intellectual property for as long as humanly possible?
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 12 June 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
never let me down, Nan:
“I will be voting to slow down fast-track,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said on the floor moments before the vote, after keeping her intentions private for months. “Today we have an opportunity to slow down. Whatever the deal is with other countries, we want a better deal for American workers.”
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
grats hoos
― lag∞n, Friday, 12 June 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link
let's all sing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BYyDusJYJo
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 June 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
thx guys we were watching c-span and when pelosi went up to speak, having been equivocating all week & knowing she was gonna bellwether, we all held our breath; when she started in on "this vote on TPA--or Fast Track, let's call it what it is--is moving too fast for us to get a better deal for American workers"
and my boss yelled WHERE'S THE CHAMPAGNE
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 June 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link
would drink w/ u guys
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 12 June 2015 18:30 (nine years ago) link
putting a hoos on the case was their shrewdest move
― Aimless, Friday, 12 June 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link
good lookin out hoos
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link
You guys can do better than champagne!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 June 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link
Yay. Good job
― curmudgeon, Friday, 12 June 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link
Gimlets for everyone! Mixed by Robert Bork!
http://images.politico.com/global/2012/12/19/121219_robert_bork_ap_328.jpg
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 June 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link
Also: yet another victory for Speaker Boehner, who joins the ranks of Rayburn and Clay.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 June 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link
now HilRod could come out against this at her rally tomw -- a "bold move"
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 June 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link
Whew. Now you can vote for her!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 June 2015 19:06 (nine years ago) link
lol
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 19:07 (nine years ago) link
Ready for Nunnery
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 June 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link
I thought Nunn retired.
― Aimless, Friday, 12 June 2015 19:35 (nine years ago) link
His liberal, labor-supporting, dove-ish ways live on in Morbs.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 June 2015 19:37 (nine years ago) link
http://d1.stern.de/bilder/stern_5/politik/2014/KW25/hillary-clinton-interview_n_fitwidth_489.jpg
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 June 2015 19:42 (nine years ago) link
i don't understand what there is to celebrate. by not giving obama fast track (which, if the TPP was bad for workers doesn't mean he would get to push it through just that they vote on what he already put in or something like that) they also killed this program, which directly gives money to workers who were benefitting from trade. seems like the cost far outweighs the benefits...
― flopson, Friday, 12 June 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link
sorry, *workers who lost their jobs due to imports
"trade adjustment assistant" sounds like the most heinous euphemism
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 June 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link
how much workers training did NAFTA offer?
I think part of the reason they wanted fast track is because the actual legislation is so odious it will never pass once it gets openly debated in congress
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 12 June 2015 20:31 (nine years ago) link
the Assistance for Workers bill was specifically tied to TPP in order to try and get it to pass.
I would expect it to be renewed separately before it expires in December.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 20:33 (nine years ago) link
like, there's no reason it can't be considered separately, attaching it to TPP was just some procedural bullshit to try and lure votes for TPP
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
OTM. flopson, this was the sweet coating to a poison b(p)ill. If it's so important, it'll pass separately, and Pelosi knows it.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 June 2015 20:43 (nine years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Friday, June 12, 2015 4:33 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ok, that seems like a sleazy move. but i wouldn't expect it to be renewed, republicans hate it
― flopson, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:32 (nine years ago) link
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, June 12, 2015 4:30 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
according to this website
$975,320,800 in federal funds allocated to states for benefits and services delivered to assist trade-impacted US workers227,882 US workers accessed TAA-funded benefits and services
― flopson, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:35 (nine years ago) link
975320800/227882 = 4279.94$ per worker... that seems non-negligible
― flopson, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:37 (nine years ago) link
i don't get how TPP is going to kill labor. WTO members (which there are 120 of) export manufacturing goods to US at an average tariff of 2%. for 11 of the countries in the TPP that's already zero, so it's reducing a tariff by 2% for like, 4 countries? how many jobs is that really going to cost?
― flopson, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:42 (nine years ago) link
oh sorry i misquoted that, TPP will only reduce manufacturing tariffs to zero for 11 countries, they are already zero for 5. still though, from 2% to 0%
― flopson, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:45 (nine years ago) link
The 4279.94$ per worker would mostly consist of the cost of delivery of those "benefits and services", which I am supposing were largely intangible, in the form of career counseling and maybe some community college courses. I'd be interested in a breakdown of what those "benefits and services" consisted of in real terms. Also "trade-impacted" is a wretched euphemism worthy of the Pentagon.
― Aimless, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:48 (nine years ago) link