Nine dead in shooting by white gunman at historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina

It's the new cold war.

Um, the 'cold civil war' is just the culture wars reheated, plus black President - so many of the crypto-racists I know do the 'I'm an independent voter' dodge while exercising their historic entitlement to pretend they're some sort of overseer class for those uppity brown and black people.

― "good luck, sycophants!" (suzy), Monday, 8 November 2010 18:15 (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ladies and gentlemen, the Ted Cruz campaign:

Another of Cruz's campaign co-chairs in the Palmetto State, state Rep. Bill Chumley (R), voted against opening debate on the flag. Chumley also told CNN on Tuesday night that he believed it more urgent to debate the fact that no one present at the massacre of nine black Charleston churchgoers was armed.

"We need to be focusing on the nine families that are left and see that this doesn’t happen again," Chumley said in the CNN interview. "These people sat in there, and waited their turn to be shot. That’s sad. But somebody in there with the means of self defense could have stopped this. And we’d have had less funerals than we’re having."

are you fucking kidding me with this

jfc

it's almost like he is not actually focusing on the nine families and their needs or feelings

how tone deaf can we get: let's find out

let me guess -- he'll "apologize if i offended anyone" and then get reelected

what kind of Christian expects people to bring guns to church?

honestly wonder if these people would pass a turing test

what this does is highlight the gross negligence of churches who are not providing designated bible study snipers

ugh that was too glib, sorry *recanted*

It's horrible that people are saying this. Do they really think this way? This is what the head of the NRA says, so it could just be them doing what they are told. It's a horrible thing to say in any case. Even if they don't really think that, and are just saying it for sales, it still comes across as cynically valuing money over human life.

Disrespectful.

^^ welcome to US politics, glad you could join us

Echo chamber of anti-human shit.

new thread name

It didn't take Chumley long.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/william-chumley-apology-charleston

That NRA stance is culturally ignorant and insensitive. That was a Civil Rights Movement church, they're not likely to bring guns to a bible study.

It is puke-inducing how ignorant some of these gun people are about the Civil Rights Movement, you can tell they haven't spent any time at all learning the values and teachings of the movement. Which is racist no matter how much they deny it.

His main regret is NOT living in a cowboy movie fantasy.

i was thinking the other night, it would take someone coming into an NRA convention, totally kevlared up, throwing two fist-fulls of live grenades into the crowd and then spraying everyone around him with as much automatic gunfire as possible before being eventually knock down by whatever gunfire people manage to return; before they are willing to have any productive dialogue about gun reform.

― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:41 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Speaking of cowboy movie fantasies.

It didn't take Chumley long.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/william-chumley-apology-charleston

― it's not arugula science (WilliamC), Wednesday, June 24, 2015 2:03 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"I misspoke. What I meant to say was, 'I am a sack of human shit and as soon as I done with this statement I am going to go walk out in front of a fast-moving bus."

Charleston's Mayor Joseph P. Riley, Jr. has set up the "Mother Emanuel Hope" fund . The fund will help family members pay for funerals, counseling and other financial needs. Donations can be online, by texting 'prayforcharleston' to 843-606-5995 additionally you can walk into any of Wells Fargo's 6,200 banking locations now you can also make a check out to "Mother Emanuel Hope Fund" and send it to the address below:

Mother Emanuel Hope Fund

C/O City of Charleston

P.O. Box 304 Charleston, SC 29402

The Lowcountry Ministries -- Reverend Pinckney Fund will be administered by the Palmetto Project, a non-profit dedicated to improving lives in South Carolina. These funds will be used to support local initiates serving Rev. Pinckney's church , vulnerable populations and youth projects he was passionate about. You can donate online or by mailing a check to:

Lowcountry Ministries -- Reverend Pinckney Fund

c/o The Palmetto Project

6296 Rivers Avenue #100

North Charleston, SC 29406

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/18/us/iyw-help-charleston-heal/

They also have a Paypal donation button on the website:

http://www.emanuelamechurch.org/#

tbf to Chumley (ok not really) how often do you see reactionary piece of shit racists argue that black men should be more well armed

I mean we're at a place where Confederate Flag-loving white guy is saying "black people need more guns" it's fucking bonkers

that argument is not uncommon among libertarians

thanks for link to donation site

I don't think they're all racist in the sense of disliking / hating black people, but I think it's racist in the sense that these people devote considerable time to their cause while not taking time to learn that civil rights people tend not to agree with them on guns. They should respect and understand their opposition more - black churches are a significant part of that.

Of that opposition, I mean. The gun groups choose to demonize the opposition, which isn't civil when you're packing.

great jelani cobb talk of the town piece about terrorism and white supremacy

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/06/29/terrorism-in-charleston

friend of mine wrote this re: the roots of roof's radicalization

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/06/24/3673580/lone-wolf-origins/

Upthread I noticed someone quoting the usual yahoo internet comments to the effect that 'if the pastor were armed, this wouldn't have been as bad as it was'. All I can say is that when the Black Panthers said much the same as these brainless NRA gun lovers, that all black men and women should arm themselves with an arsenal equal to their enemies' weaponry, it led to the FBI besieging them in Oakland, pouring a hail of thousands of bullets at them through the walls of their apartment, and these same yahoos were cheering for the police.

― Aimless, Saturday, June 20, 2015 1:18 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this just gets more surreal.

but btw i kinda don't think contemplating an armed zealot killing a bunch of people (even if they are NRA people) is a good mental habit to get in, even if it is more "sad thought experiment" than fanfic/fantasy.

http://mic.com/articles/121303/black-baptist-church-in-north-carolina-set-on-fire

Are you fucking kidding me goddamit no

holy hell.

hoping desperately against hope that this is something, anything other than what it seems.

Yeah, holding out for a secretary trying to cover up embezzelment or something.

man, this country.

this eulogy is so beautiful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvXxDWdcYkI

btw:

https://twitter.com/BFriedmanDC/status/614527435510386689

Three black churches burned in the last four days:
Macon, GA (June 23)
Charlotte, NC (June 24)
Warrenville, SC (June 26)

yeah, I have held off on talking about that on Facebook given the Supreme Court celebrations but

three?!? motherfucker

fucking hell

I...

eulogy is/was really moving & inspiring, def worth watching if you havent seen it

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/president-obama-took-me-to-church-today-1714260805

yeah i watched that yesterday and teared up quite a bit, prob his finest hour as a speaker

The deadspin article is worth a read even if you've already watched the speech, imo

more on the church fires, of which there were two more yesterday

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2015/06/26/string-of-nighttime-fires-hit-predominately-black-churches-in-four-southern-states/

Sister of accused Charleston shooter asks for donations to cover canceled wedding