It's good that lag∞n is here to tell us how minorities should describe the experience of being a minority in this country
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 14:58 (eight years ago) link
im not telling anyone how they shd talk abt their experience, im talking abt my experience of reading this writing, and while i think tnc is one of the best out there i think his adoption of academic language degrades his writing
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 15:31 (eight years ago) link
its p interesting that this terminology of body to refer to ppl emerged from the academy which is the ultimate mind prioritized over body culture
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 15:36 (eight years ago) link
p entirely predictable, u mean
I don't know, I think Coates's use of "body" echoes its theoretical use in the academy but is not identical to it. It's idiosyncratic and poetic in his usage.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link
Like part of its purpose is to serve as a metaphor for something inexpressible
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 15:57 (eight years ago) link
you are pretty clearly not into his use of it, but I don't think it's merely theoryspeak.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link
yeah i mean his usage is prob meant to stick out and be noticed which cld be seen as using a artless form artfully, just the academic focus on lexicon as the the ultimate unit of meaning kinda drives me nuts, also im just not sure abt physical oppression really being more key than physiological, they necessarily always work together, ultimately obvs these are all quibbles of what is a good and important work, and also an indication of how tnc manages to be compelling on all diff levels while writing abt extremely difficult topics
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:07 (eight years ago) link
pychological not physiological obvs
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link
surely the talk of 'bodies' reflects 18&19th century discourse's fixation on the physiological; talk of 'monstrous specimens' (e.g. what was written about the hottentot venus), 'hybrids' etc.
― ogmor, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
qed you are turning mind into body xp
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
tru
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link
anyway horseshoe interesting points i am reconsidering based on yr conversating
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
Ta-Nehisi Coates @tanehisicoates 28s29 seconds agoWow. @georgelazenby gives #BetweentheWorldandMe a glossary for heads. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ObYyfj6ZzNpNoxIQpSZcROzs5bTkjWK0ml3rmHV_Li0/edit
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 17:55 (eight years ago) link
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/08/01/is-ta-nehisi-coates-writing-a-new-comic-book-for-marvel/
― rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Saturday, 1 August 2015 14:26 (eight years ago) link
that would be nice but i'd be surprised if he took the bait.
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 1 August 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link
“Bait?” I must’ve missed something. What’s the catch?
Regardless, I agree. It’d be nice. And Secret Wars has been awesome.
― Allen (etaeoe), Saturday, 1 August 2015 16:20 (eight years ago) link
Brevoort has come under fire for promoting the semblance of diversity in comics or in piggybacking other cultures signifiers without hiring a diverse stable of writers/artists http://www.wired.com/2015/07/diversity-in-comics/
in much the same way that denton has stated TNC is gawker's dream editor, Brevoort hitting up TNC on social media is easily read as a way to take some of the heat of that judgment. I'd be curious to see what Coates wrote tho'; he's clearly knowledgeable in the fieldhttp://www.vulture.com/2015/04/ta-nehisi-coates-superhero-comics.html
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 1 August 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
The tweet to Coates is from months before Brevoort came under attack. So it should be read as a response to that.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 1 August 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
It should NOT be read as a response to that, I meant.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 1 August 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link
okay, my bad; didn't see the time signature.
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 1 August 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link
it would be dope to see a writer like coates take on the hulk; bring some nuance to the character
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 1 August 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
Smash or not smash -- that the question:Better to let puny humans pester Hulk Or pound puny humans to pulp?Maybe if Hulk die, Hulk no sleep,No hurt! But no dream.
― something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 1 August 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link
was thinking more contemporary but hey why noe
― let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 1 August 2015 20:29 (eight years ago) link
Marvel partisans are weird
Xxxp
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 1 August 2015 23:06 (eight years ago) link
RG: In Between the World and Me, you center much of the discussion on the black body. What compelled you to make this rhetorical choice?
TC: There is tendency in academia and in (some) social justice circles to make that which is oppressive distant and abstract. We use a language, which at times obscures what’s going on -– racial discrimination, racial segregation, racial justice, etc. This sort of language eliminates the actual actions of actual people. It was deeply important to me to situate racism as a done thing: as a thing you actually feel. I should add that in my stripe of atheism, it’s very hard to see beyond the body. There is a tendency to adopt euphemism when confronted with the very real violence that comes with having a foot on your neck.
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/review/the-charge-to-be-fair-ta-nehisi-coates-and-roxane-gay-in-conversation
― tender is the late-night daypart (schlump), Sunday, 16 August 2015 11:52 (eight years ago) link
Read it this afternoon. Best book I've read in a loooong time.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 16 August 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link
https://mobile.twitter.com/tanehisicoates/status/644146105786212352
owwwwwwwwww
― usic ally (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 14:24 (eight years ago) link
ziiiiiiiiiiing
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 14:28 (eight years ago) link
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/10/the-black-family-in-the-age-of-mass-incarceration/403246/
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 14:51 (eight years ago) link
lol
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 14:54 (eight years ago) link
god that comeback to whitlock is so effortlessly devastating
― balls, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 14:57 (eight years ago) link
kapow
― goole, Wednesday, 16 September 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
have not stopped lolling
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link
boom
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 16:50 (eight years ago) link
A dissenter, published guess where. Has anyone read the Moynihan Report? It's been excerpted so often that I guess I should.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 September 2015 17:42 (eight years ago) link
a response: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/thinking-about-crime/406144
― mookieproof, Friday, 18 September 2015 18:36 (eight years ago) link
ha
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 18 September 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link
now THAT is a zing
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 September 2015 18:54 (eight years ago) link
haaaaaaaaaaaaa!
― zoso def (m bison), Saturday, 19 September 2015 02:33 (eight years ago) link
i don't get the whitlock thing
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 19 September 2015 03:32 (eight years ago) link
If you google Whitlock's name I think you'll get zing pretty quick.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 19 September 2015 03:37 (eight years ago) link
http://deadspin.com/how-jason-whitlock-is-poisoning-espns-black-grantland-1698683962
featuring whitlock's praise of coates, failure to recruit him and absurd failure to even launch
― mookieproof, Saturday, 19 September 2015 03:38 (eight years ago) link
From slave-holding to ethnic cleansing, Christianity has repeatedly been employed to sanctify our most shameful acts. One might counter that Christianity has also been employed to inspire our most honorable acts. But this is a level of complexity that Carson’s ilk do not grant to Islam. To Carson, Islam is terror and nothing else.
http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2015/09/ben-carson-bigot/406390/
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 September 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link
Oh BTW
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/23/books/ta-nehisi-coates-to-write-black-panther-comic-for-marvel.html?_r=0
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 17:40 (eight years ago) link
fuckin A, will buy
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 17:46 (eight years ago) link
(though i maintain it's a little on the nose; really wish they'd sic him on their big gun headliners instead...)
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 17:47 (eight years ago) link
I'm more than slightly guessing this is part of a plan to boost up the character given the next round of movies. Whatever the reasons, all good.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/tanehisicoates/status/646380413808738305
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 September 2015 17:50 (eight years ago) link
yeah, i think you're right and that they're positioning Black Panther to BECOME a pop mainstream big gun; maybe join the Avengers in the movie version depending on how well the character is received.
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 17:52 (eight years ago) link
xp, loltranslation of that tweet for non-geeks: https://www.reddit.com/r/theblackpanther/comments/2uy0sy/spoilers_namor_got_what_was_coming_to_him/
― Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 17:54 (eight years ago) link