a hot dog is

fun will m fact: i used to eat hot dogs sideways so they would be more "sandwich-like" with bread on top and bottom
fun hot dog fact: is a sandwich

there's the concept of toppings, which suggests the open portion of the hot dog is the nominal up side, the toppings go on top. you can turn that sideways if you want to, i guess.

hamburger toppings go in the middle! wait do we even call those toppings? i'm confused. do we even call them toppings on hot dogs?!

yeah, they're toppings:

http://www.viennabeef.com/filebin/images/historyOfChicagoDog.jpg

they go on top of the meat

but are they called hamburger toppings?

yes

Are they called hamburger toppings if they're on a hot dog?

see THIS is why ppl leave ilx

youre all morons

NOT A SANDWICH

nobody leaves ilx

meat on a bun is never not a sandwich

inclined to agree with VG
i.e. i wd not call a hot dog a sandwich & can't think of any ordinary language occasion in which i or anyone else wd do so

i say this as a latter-day wittgensteinian
& as a woman (only anecdotal data so far but there seems to be gender split on this question)

*fist bump*

^^^^

a hot dog is not a sandwich even when it is on new england style "buns"

here are some hot dogs i made

https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11800346_10100548918409906_2029251620406984586_n.jpg?oh=c5ae640d336f457f363208e31ba85920&oe=564EAF6D

not a sandwich, no one has ever called a hot dog a sandwich ime

sending a takedown request to your image host gbx

sorry for partying

What if you gave someone a pastrami on rye and said, here eat this. And they ate it and after you ate it you said, did you enjoy your SANDWICH? And they said yes, establishing an implicit mutual agreement that it was a sandwich. Only then you reveal that you secretly put ground up hot dog between the pastrami and like the lettuce or whatever you put on a pastrami and rye. And they say, oh you got me, guess a hot dog can be a sandwich, good one.

what if you were a big fat liar, you mean, well that seems like an issue for another thread

Philosophers are often like little children, who first scribble random lines on a piece of paper with their pencils, and now ask an adult "What is that?".

A cut-up hot dog in a bowl of milk is cereal. We can all at least start from that indisputable point.

A philosopher easily gets into the position of an incompetent manager who, instead of getting on with his own hotdogs and just keeping an eye on his employees to make sure they do theirs properly, takes over their hotdogs until one day he finds himself overloaded with other people's hotdogs, while his employees look on and criticize him.

ground up hot dog is not 'hot dog'

A cut-up hot dog in a bowl of milk is cereal.

ok

http://autofood.ir/UserFiles/gallery/hotwich.jpg

https://koshersamurai.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/pizza-cone-21.jpg

http://ourobengr.com/wp-uploads/2012/09/discordian-hotdog.jpg

what fresh hell

NSFW warning, please.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/229/479747578_1c780b3cf5_o_d.jpg

http://www.gotfunnypictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Toothpaste-Dog.jpg

Ceci n'est pas une brosse à dents.

the john wayne gacy of hot dogs

That looks like a tofu pup too.

HOT DOG is...

Hearty
Often yummy
Too delicious to ignore

HOT DOG is...

Dinner
On the money
Good food I adore

HOT DOG is...

your friend <3

ienjoyhotdogs wrote this on thread What sounds 'cutting edge' in 2015? on board I Love Music on May 27, 2015

farts

RIP

functionally a hot dog is a sandwich, but it's farther away from the platonic ideal of sandwichness than a a blt or ham and swiss on rye. it's less of a sandwich. things that are sandwiched are between, a bun is singular, the dog is within. layering is not a necessary condition, it's a connotation, a belief that things go in order, that if you notate something thusly then that's what it looks like. a hot dog with stuff just glopped on it is just fucking chaos.

"Less of a sandwich" otm. Degrees of sandwichosity rather than a polarizing yes/no. "Girls, you're BOTH pretty."

Platonic ideal of sandwich is bread, savory food, bread, arranged in a vertical vector.

Of course there are things that don't fit that that we can still call a sandwich. Open-faced sandwiches (e.g. croque m.). Ice cream sandwiches.

The orientation of the meat-slot (ahem) is salient, but it is not dispositive. I'd sooner welcome a lobster roll into the sandwich family than a hot dog. Some subs are served with the slot facing vertically, but I suspect most users turn them round for eating.

(This illustrates one flaw in the design of the hot dog bun: if you hold it upright, the most flavorful elements are farthest from your taste buds! You get a tongue-full of blandness and all the fun is pointing at the roof of your mouth.)

A hamburger is definitely a sandwich. As are all mcmuffin-style breakfast sandwiches.

Bread is pretty much essential. BreadING, as in a corn dog, does not count. Tortillas do not count, so a wrap or quesadilla is not a sandwich. Chicken, in the infamous Double-Down, is a one-off exception that has been discontinued and is unlikely to gain traction with the public again. If a calzone (or folded piece of pizza) is a sandwich, then so is a chicken pot pie, which is plainly absurd and a notion not to be entertained among the civilized.

I see hierarchies of information as situational. Seals and sea lions are different, but the distinction matters a lot more to marine biologists than to, say, third-graders. Some distinctions will only ever be interesting to highly interested persons. See also: apes and monkeys.

So if a restaurant does not specialize in sandwiches, I wouldn't fault them for including hot dogs among a general heading "sandwiches." Bread/stuff/bread, close enough.

But if you claim expertise in sandwiches, you will want your taxonomy to be more granular: hamburgers, paninis, wraps, subs, hoagies, open-faced sandwiches, hot dogs.

Nah

This song's been stuck in my head since the thread began.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHhheCf0G1I

Hodgeman had ruled. THAT IS ALL!

I agree with virtually everything Ye Mad Puffin said except the part where he says a hot dog is not a sandwich. I love the good judge Hodgman but his ruling is absurd. A sandwich is defined by something you cut in half?! What kind of prescriptive nonsense is that?!

A sandwich, to me, is something where it's put in bread to be easier to eat with your hands. The "dachshund sandwich" was a frankfurter in a bun so people could eat it at a ball game. IT WAS CALLED A SANDWICH before someone changed its name to hot dog.

I trust that ILX will not fuck this poll up when there is such a clear and correct answer.

Also I have probably earned more SBs on this thread than in the history of my ten years on ILX but idaf ahdias

well now you're just askin for it

Hot dogs were originally bunless; there is a story (possibly apocryphal) of a hot dog vendor who provided his customers with gloves to protect their hands while eating the dogs. Too many customers kept the gloves instead of giving them back; his wife suggested hey, maybe just put them in bread?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_dog#History

Tangent: I should note that I am originally from St. Louis. "Inventing the hot dog bun" is one of the things that St. Louis's cheery boosters (my mother among them) will not shut up about. St. Louis also claims to have invented the ice cream cone at, of course, the 1904 World's Fair. I say this with bounteous and tolerant love: St. Louis, the reason you will never be a major modern city is because you cannot shut up about achievements that happened in 1904.

lol

Not a sandwich. Has there ever been a time when you were at a deli ordering a sandwich and they asked "What kind of meat would you like?" and offered hot dog meat as an option?

That's a silly criterion

this thread is for serious criteria only

How is it silly? Ordering a sandwich is like every day behavior for millions of people. Delis specialize in sandwiches so I would defer to their authority over a restaurant that sells sandwiches soups salads steaks pasta all kinds of foods and thus might label a hotdog as a sandwich more out of menu space concerns.

there are all sorts of sandwiches you can't get at a tpyical deli. they only sell the "greatest hits" sandwiches. you are being very breaderonormative right now

I guess to really answer this question we would need to ask an archaeologist about how prehistoric man enjoyed his hot dogs.

place is overrun w Sandwich Justice Warriors /s