Nah
― Songs that sound like SimCopter (sleepingbag), Saturday, 1 August 2015 14:34 (eight years ago) link
This song's been stuck in my head since the thread began.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHhheCf0G1I
― how's life, Saturday, 1 August 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link
Hodgeman had ruled. THAT IS ALL!
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 1 August 2015 16:54 (eight years ago) link
I agree with virtually everything Ye Mad Puffin said except the part where he says a hot dog is not a sandwich. I love the good judge Hodgman but his ruling is absurd. A sandwich is defined by something you cut in half?! What kind of prescriptive nonsense is that?!
A sandwich, to me, is something where it's put in bread to be easier to eat with your hands. The "dachshund sandwich" was a frankfurter in a bun so people could eat it at a ball game. IT WAS CALLED A SANDWICH before someone changed its name to hot dog.
I trust that ILX will not fuck this poll up when there is such a clear and correct answer.
Also I have probably earned more SBs on this thread than in the history of my ten years on ILX but idaf ahdias
― Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Monday, 3 August 2015 14:54 (eight years ago) link
well now you're just askin for it
― j., Monday, 3 August 2015 14:56 (eight years ago) link
Hot dogs were originally bunless; there is a story (possibly apocryphal) of a hot dog vendor who provided his customers with gloves to protect their hands while eating the dogs. Too many customers kept the gloves instead of giving them back; his wife suggested hey, maybe just put them in bread?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_dog#History
Tangent: I should note that I am originally from St. Louis. "Inventing the hot dog bun" is one of the things that St. Louis's cheery boosters (my mother among them) will not shut up about. St. Louis also claims to have invented the ice cream cone at, of course, the 1904 World's Fair. I say this with bounteous and tolerant love: St. Louis, the reason you will never be a major modern city is because you cannot shut up about achievements that happened in 1904.
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 3 August 2015 15:09 (eight years ago) link
lol
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 August 2015 15:40 (eight years ago) link
Not a sandwich. Has there ever been a time when you were at a deli ordering a sandwich and they asked "What kind of meat would you like?" and offered hot dog meat as an option?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link
That's a silly criterion
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:19 (eight years ago) link
this thread is for serious criteria only
― j., Monday, 3 August 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
How is it silly? Ordering a sandwich is like every day behavior for millions of people. Delis specialize in sandwiches so I would defer to their authority over a restaurant that sells sandwiches soups salads steaks pasta all kinds of foods and thus might label a hotdog as a sandwich more out of menu space concerns.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
there are all sorts of sandwiches you can't get at a tpyical deli. they only sell the "greatest hits" sandwiches. you are being very breaderonormative right now
― Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:22 (eight years ago) link
I guess to really answer this question we would need to ask an archaeologist about how prehistoric man enjoyed his hot dogs.
― You open your face and all that comes out is garbage. (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
place is overrun w Sandwich Justice Warriors /s
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
Literally "they don't sell hot dogs at the sandwich shop so it's not a sandwich" is the worst argument for anything I've ever heard.
A hot dog is a damn sandwich! Meat between bread, it's the platonic ideal of sandwich.
― corbyn's gallus (jim in glasgow), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
Would you ever say the words "Hot dog sandwich"?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link
Any other sandwich contains the word "sandwich". You don't eat a "Peanut Butter and Jelly", you eat a "Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich". You don't eat a "Egg Salad" you eat an "Egg Salad Sandwich".
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link
Would you ever say the words "hamburger sandwich"?
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link
Croque Monsieur sandwich
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:34 (eight years ago) link
I have before, and I might again someday.
xps - a muffaletta is a sandwich but doesn't require the word "sandwich" to know what it is and that it's a sandwich. Ditto po-boy, hoagie, grinder, Reuben, etc
― rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:34 (eight years ago) link
A hot dog is a sandwich.
― rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:35 (eight years ago) link
my takeaway here is that Adam isn't very familiar with sandwiches
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:35 (eight years ago) link
if anyone ever said blt sandwich i might laugh at them
― Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:36 (eight years ago) link
BLT also. You guys are right about that.
Still I think one must differentiate between breads, a hamburger/hotdog bun is not easily replaced w your standard slice of white or wheat bread.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:36 (eight years ago) link
"I'd like a turkey club.""You want a meat cudgel made out of pressed turkey????""What? No, I want a turkey club sandwich.""Oh! You have to say 'sandwich' otherwise no one knows what you're talking about.""Shut up, Adam."
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link
confirms DJP's takeaway completely
― rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link
"breaderonormative" = threadwinner imo
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 3 August 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link
I mean of course it is true to say a hot dog is a sandwich, obviously, obviously, it obviously is a sandwich, and of course it is more accurate to say that it is a hot dog that is how categories work
And you can cut one in half. Why is there a person who thinks that you can't cut a hot dog and why do they think that is a defining characteristic of a sandwich
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link
Has there ever been a time when you were at a deli ordering a sandwich and they asked "What kind of meat would you like?" and offered hot dog meat as an option?
if it's a torta place, then yes.
― lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link
http://www.seriouseats.com/torta.jpg
A torta is a sandwich before anyone starts
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link
Why is there a person who thinks that you can't cut a hot dog and why do they think that is a defining characteristic of a sandwich
I think if we can answer this question, we will be capable of solving most of the social crises that currently threaten modern civilization.
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link
Are we saying that a hot dog bun is two slices of bread? Typically it comes as one unified bun.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link
That is the most bonkers thing itt even beating out dog latin's assertion that filled baguettes are not sandwiches
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link
Xp
hinged bun already a confirmed non-issue, subway calls their sandwiches sandwiches and they come on hinged buns
― Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:48 (eight years ago) link
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/2/12/1360687508527/Benugo-Tuna-mayo-salad-008.jpg
^unified bun
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:50 (eight years ago) link
^sandwich
^otm
― rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Monday, August 3, 2015 12:35 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
i agree with all of the above logic and yet i voted "not a sandwich" because "not a sandwich" is a feeling
― lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
Like climate change denial
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:53 (eight years ago) link
"Typically it comes as one unified bun." - yes, also true of many bun/sub roll/baguette-based entities (as wins correctly notes).
Sloppy Joe - on a bun, fits the basic bread/stuff/bread criterion regardless of whether the bun-hinge is complete or severed. It is a sandwich.
Lobster roll - on a bun, fits the basic bread/stuff/bread criterion regardless of whether the bun-hinge is complete or severed. It is a sandwich,
Croque monsieur (cf. all open-faced sandwich-like entities): often served on ONE piece of bread. While it is not bread/meat/bread, it is still traditionally and rightly classed as a sandwich, via a grand-pere clause.
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 3 August 2015 16:54 (eight years ago) link
I have no idea what a torta exactly is, but based on Jordan's photo I would eat the fuck out of one right now. That's amore.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 3 August 2015 16:59 (eight years ago) link
They are dope
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:00 (eight years ago) link
Yeah whatever that is it looks fucking awesome.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link
I voted non-sandwich despite having to acknowledge that the pro-sandwich people have logic on their side, guess it's kind of a heart/mind dichotomy.
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link
Tortas are DOPE
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:06 (eight years ago) link
Torta cubana is the shit
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link
I'm hungry