How is it silly? Ordering a sandwich is like every day behavior for millions of people. Delis specialize in sandwiches so I would defer to their authority over a restaurant that sells sandwiches soups salads steaks pasta all kinds of foods and thus might label a hotdog as a sandwich more out of menu space concerns.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link
there are all sorts of sandwiches you can't get at a tpyical deli. they only sell the "greatest hits" sandwiches. you are being very breaderonormative right now
― Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:22 (nine years ago) link
I guess to really answer this question we would need to ask an archaeologist about how prehistoric man enjoyed his hot dogs.
― You open your face and all that comes out is garbage. (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:25 (nine years ago) link
place is overrun w Sandwich Justice Warriors /s
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:28 (nine years ago) link
Literally "they don't sell hot dogs at the sandwich shop so it's not a sandwich" is the worst argument for anything I've ever heard.
A hot dog is a damn sandwich! Meat between bread, it's the platonic ideal of sandwich.
― corbyn's gallus (jim in glasgow), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:28 (nine years ago) link
Would you ever say the words "Hot dog sandwich"?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
Any other sandwich contains the word "sandwich". You don't eat a "Peanut Butter and Jelly", you eat a "Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich". You don't eat a "Egg Salad" you eat an "Egg Salad Sandwich".
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:32 (nine years ago) link
Would you ever say the words "hamburger sandwich"?
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:33 (nine years ago) link
Croque Monsieur sandwich
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:34 (nine years ago) link
I have before, and I might again someday.
xps - a muffaletta is a sandwich but doesn't require the word "sandwich" to know what it is and that it's a sandwich. Ditto po-boy, hoagie, grinder, Reuben, etc
― rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:34 (nine years ago) link
A hot dog is a sandwich.
― rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:35 (nine years ago) link
my takeaway here is that Adam isn't very familiar with sandwiches
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:35 (nine years ago) link
if anyone ever said blt sandwich i might laugh at them
― Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link
BLT also. You guys are right about that.
Still I think one must differentiate between breads, a hamburger/hotdog bun is not easily replaced w your standard slice of white or wheat bread.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link
"I'd like a turkey club.""You want a meat cudgel made out of pressed turkey????""What? No, I want a turkey club sandwich.""Oh! You have to say 'sandwich' otherwise no one knows what you're talking about.""Shut up, Adam."
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:38 (nine years ago) link
confirms DJP's takeaway completely
― rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link
"breaderonormative" = threadwinner imo
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 3 August 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link
I mean of course it is true to say a hot dog is a sandwich, obviously, obviously, it obviously is a sandwich, and of course it is more accurate to say that it is a hot dog that is how categories work
And you can cut one in half. Why is there a person who thinks that you can't cut a hot dog and why do they think that is a defining characteristic of a sandwich
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:41 (nine years ago) link
Has there ever been a time when you were at a deli ordering a sandwich and they asked "What kind of meat would you like?" and offered hot dog meat as an option?
if it's a torta place, then yes.
― lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:41 (nine years ago) link
http://www.seriouseats.com/torta.jpg
A torta is a sandwich before anyone starts
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
Why is there a person who thinks that you can't cut a hot dog and why do they think that is a defining characteristic of a sandwich
I think if we can answer this question, we will be capable of solving most of the social crises that currently threaten modern civilization.
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
Are we saying that a hot dog bun is two slices of bread? Typically it comes as one unified bun.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
That is the most bonkers thing itt even beating out dog latin's assertion that filled baguettes are not sandwiches
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
Xp
hinged bun already a confirmed non-issue, subway calls their sandwiches sandwiches and they come on hinged buns
― Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/2/12/1360687508527/Benugo-Tuna-mayo-salad-008.jpg
^unified bun
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:50 (nine years ago) link
^sandwich
^otm
― rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Monday, August 3, 2015 12:35 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link
i agree with all of the above logic and yet i voted "not a sandwich" because "not a sandwich" is a feeling
― lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link
Like climate change denial
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:53 (nine years ago) link
"Typically it comes as one unified bun." - yes, also true of many bun/sub roll/baguette-based entities (as wins correctly notes).
Sloppy Joe - on a bun, fits the basic bread/stuff/bread criterion regardless of whether the bun-hinge is complete or severed. It is a sandwich.
Lobster roll - on a bun, fits the basic bread/stuff/bread criterion regardless of whether the bun-hinge is complete or severed. It is a sandwich,
Croque monsieur (cf. all open-faced sandwich-like entities): often served on ONE piece of bread. While it is not bread/meat/bread, it is still traditionally and rightly classed as a sandwich, via a grand-pere clause.
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 3 August 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link
I have no idea what a torta exactly is, but based on Jordan's photo I would eat the fuck out of one right now. That's amore.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 3 August 2015 16:59 (nine years ago) link
They are dope
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:00 (nine years ago) link
Yeah whatever that is it looks fucking awesome.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:03 (nine years ago) link
I voted non-sandwich despite having to acknowledge that the pro-sandwich people have logic on their side, guess it's kind of a heart/mind dichotomy.
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:04 (nine years ago) link
Tortas are DOPE
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
Torta cubana is the shit
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:08 (nine years ago) link
I'm hungry
The original question is a bit confusing because it does not specify is breading is involved or not. You could take it to mean a hot dog complete w the trappings or simply a hot dog straight out of the package, cooked solo over a campfire.
Agree that pro-sandwichers have logic on their side.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:10 (nine years ago) link
Spider dogs!
https://hotcheapeasy.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/2011-july-montauk-049.jpg
not a sandwich, but def awesome
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:13 (nine years ago) link
If 'open-faced' is a legitimate variety of sandwich, then the parameters of sandwichdom seem far-reaching indeed. If you don't even need two pieces of bread, who says you need bread at all? Looking forward to the sandwich avant garde.
― You open your face and all that comes out is garbage. (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link
http://www.bookcaseangel.com/images/octodog.jpg
― You open your face and all that comes out is garbage. (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link
― You open your face and all that comes out is garbage. (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link
hi dere molecular gastronomy: https://www.google.com/search?q=molecular+gastronomy+sandwich&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CDwQsARqFQoTCLyM2Yq1jccCFUPVgAodFfAA4Q&biw=1249&bih=585
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/38/7a/79/387a794cb7780e38c889f501504622a3.jpg
these fuckin guys
― j., Monday, 3 August 2015 17:21 (nine years ago) link
is-sandwich leaners are looking at this as question of scientific taxonomy, as if these were natural kinds; is-not-sandwich leaners see these as distinct cultural kinds, looking at this question more ethnographically & nominalistically
― drash, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:23 (nine years ago) link
If you don't even need two pieces of bread, who says you need bread at all?
And now, at long last, we arrive at the sorites paradox (though in truth we were there all along).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox
Most reasonable people will agree that one grain of sand is definitely not a heap of sand. Also, most reasonable people will agree that a million grains of sand definitely constitutes a heap of sand.
So at what point does it become a heap of sand? Two grains? Three? A hundred grains? If so, then why 100 grains and not 99 grains?
Similarly, if we say a sandwich requires two pieces of bread, why two and not one? Or three?
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
drash otm on the competing frames of reference.
I'm still on team "degrees of sandwich"
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:27 (nine years ago) link