a hot dog is

"I'd like a turkey club."
"You want a meat cudgel made out of pressed turkey????"
"What? No, I want a turkey club sandwich."
"Oh! You have to say 'sandwich' otherwise no one knows what you're talking about."
"Shut up, Adam."

Still I think one must differentiate between breads, a hamburger/hotdog bun is not easily replaced w your standard slice of white or wheat bread.

confirms DJP's takeaway completely

"breaderonormative" = threadwinner imo

I mean of course it is true to say a hot dog is a sandwich, obviously, obviously, it obviously is a sandwich, and of course it is more accurate to say that it is a hot dog that is how categories work

And you can cut one in half. Why is there a person who thinks that you can't cut a hot dog and why do they think that is a defining characteristic of a sandwich

Has there ever been a time when you were at a deli ordering a sandwich and they asked "What kind of meat would you like?" and offered hot dog meat as an option?

if it's a torta place, then yes.

http://www.seriouseats.com/torta.jpg

A torta is a sandwich before anyone starts

Why is there a person who thinks that you can't cut a hot dog and why do they think that is a defining characteristic of a sandwich

I think if we can answer this question, we will be capable of solving most of the social crises that currently threaten modern civilization.

Are we saying that a hot dog bun is two slices of bread? Typically it comes as one unified bun.

That is the most bonkers thing itt even beating out dog latin's assertion that filled baguettes are not sandwiches

Xp

hinged bun already a confirmed non-issue, subway calls their sandwiches sandwiches and they come on hinged buns

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/2/12/1360687508527/Benugo-Tuna-mayo-salad-008.jpg

^unified bun

^sandwich

^otm

A hot dog is a sandwich.

― rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Monday, August 3, 2015 12:35 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i agree with all of the above logic and yet i voted "not a sandwich" because "not a sandwich" is a feeling

Like climate change denial

"Typically it comes as one unified bun." - yes, also true of many bun/sub roll/baguette-based entities (as wins correctly notes).

Sloppy Joe - on a bun, fits the basic bread/stuff/bread criterion regardless of whether the bun-hinge is complete or severed. It is a sandwich.

Lobster roll - on a bun, fits the basic bread/stuff/bread criterion regardless of whether the bun-hinge is complete or severed. It is a sandwich,

Croque monsieur (cf. all open-faced sandwich-like entities): often served on ONE piece of bread. While it is not bread/meat/bread, it is still traditionally and rightly classed as a sandwich, via a grand-pere clause.

I have no idea what a torta exactly is, but based on Jordan's photo I would eat the fuck out of one right now. That's amore.

They are dope

Yeah whatever that is it looks fucking awesome.

I voted non-sandwich despite having to acknowledge that the pro-sandwich people have logic on their side, guess it's kind of a heart/mind dichotomy.

Tortas are DOPE

Torta cubana is the shit

I'm hungry

The original question is a bit confusing because it does not specify is breading is involved or not. You could take it to mean a hot dog complete w the trappings or simply a hot dog straight out of the package, cooked solo over a campfire.

Agree that pro-sandwichers have logic on their side.

Spider dogs!

https://hotcheapeasy.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/2011-july-montauk-049.jpg

not a sandwich, but def awesome

If 'open-faced' is a legitimate variety of sandwich, then the parameters of sandwichdom seem far-reaching indeed. If you don't even need two pieces of bread, who says you need bread at all? Looking forward to the sandwich avant garde.

http://www.bookcaseangel.com/images/octodog.jpg

http://www.bookcaseangel.com/images/octodog.jpg

hi dere molecular gastronomy: https://www.google.com/search?q=molecular+gastronomy+sandwich&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CDwQsARqFQoTCLyM2Yq1jccCFUPVgAodFfAA4Q&biw=1249&bih=585

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/38/7a/79/387a794cb7780e38c889f501504622a3.jpg

these fuckin guys

I voted non-sandwich despite having to acknowledge that the pro-sandwich people have logic on their side, guess it's kind of a heart/mind dichotomy.

is-sandwich leaners are looking at this as question of scientific taxonomy, as if these were natural kinds; is-not-sandwich leaners see these as distinct cultural kinds, looking at this question more ethnographically & nominalistically

If you don't even need two pieces of bread, who says you need bread at all?

And now, at long last, we arrive at the sorites paradox (though in truth we were there all along).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox

Most reasonable people will agree that one grain of sand is definitely not a heap of sand. Also, most reasonable people will agree that a million grains of sand definitely constitutes a heap of sand.

So at what point does it become a heap of sand? Two grains? Three? A hundred grains? If so, then why 100 grains and not 99 grains?

Similarly, if we say a sandwich requires two pieces of bread, why two and not one? Or three?

drash otm on the competing frames of reference.

I'm still on team "degrees of sandwich"

I take the heap of sand with a pinch of salt.

Oh, and of course

http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/it-is-my-hope-that-i-will-be-remembered-as-a-great-10896

"Perhaps it will be treaties that will come to be known for eternity as Sandwiches. Great leaders of countries will say, "Let us enact a Sandwich, that our two nations shall cease to be enemies. By the terms of this most sacred and honorable Sandwich, let us have peace in our great lands." That would be a most fitting tribute to me, considering my tireless contributions to the treaty of Aix-la-Chapelle in 1748."

hey guys, i'm having a barbeque lunch meal on Tuesday. hamburger sandwiches and hot dog sandwiches will be served by humans, but please bring a side food dish. you'll probably want to wear short pants because it's supposed to be a high-temperature day.

-unabomber

enjoying Ye Mad Puffin posting itt because his name has been making me think of

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/C5E602/two-tins-of-ye-olde-oak-american-style-hot-dogs-sausages-in-brine-C5E602.jpg

Like climate change denial

― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, August 3, 2015 11:53 AM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol :(

can't believe there are believe on this thread who haven't had a torta. i had two this weekend (which is atypical but welcome. although i have to be careful with some of the giant taqueria versions, because they are huge & bready and i know i'm incapable of saving half for later).

http://s3-media4.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/huYxR3suLcBDXRt6DWERyQ/o.jpg

Basically what I'm getting there is that they're a portal into the Sandwich Dimension.

so important to brine the hot dogs

what we talk about when we talk about sandwiches

Similarly, if we say a sandwich requires two pieces of bread, why two and not one? Or three?

― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, August 3, 2015 1:24 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

3 slices of bread in a club sandwich. one piece of toast between two pieces of untoasted bread is a toast sandwich. and if dagwood bumstead is to be believed, there may very well be no upper limit to the number of pieces of bread allowed to still call it a sandwich (aside from real-world physics and human biology, something DB gets to ignore).

is-sandwich leaners are looking at this as question of scientific taxonomy, as if these were natural kinds; is-not-sandwich leaners see these as distinct cultural kinds, looking at this question more ethnographically & nominalistically

― drash, Monday, August 3, 2015 1:23 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

imo this is a less a case of scientific/taxonomical vs cultural/ethnographical and more a case of sandwich as transgressive food delivery mechanism vs. tightly-curated finite list of predetermined, vetted creations. the "it's not a sandwich" crowd are like the people who see patrissy (a mix of patron and hennessy) as a "mixed drink" and not a "cocktail." frankly I'd include "wraps" as sandwiches if it didn't seem like everyone pita-industrial complex wasn't on a PR smear mission to ensure everyone believes it is superior to (and therefore not) a sandwich.

btw patrissy is real, someone told me about it on saturday. nas's brother drinks it.

of course he does

Will M. makes good points. Since you mentioned drinks, this can be usefully compared with martini purism. Lots of things can be put in a martini glass and given a name that ends with "ini."

There will always be people who say that a martini can only be gin, vermouth, and an optional olive. Vodka makes it a non-martini automatically (to those holding this purist view), and if you're using a pearl onion you must call it a Gibson BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS CALLED. A vodka-based chocolate-orange-tini can never be a martini (to those holding this purist view).

I personally don't care enough to get up in arms about it but I am amused that there are those for whom "vodka martini" constitute fightin' words.

imo this is a less a case of scientific/taxonomical vs cultural/ethnographical and more a case of sandwich as transgressive food delivery mechanism vs. tightly-curated finite list of predetermined, vetted creations

dying