http://www.seriouseats.com/torta.jpg
― lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:41 (nine years ago) link
A torta is a sandwich before anyone starts
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
Why is there a person who thinks that you can't cut a hot dog and why do they think that is a defining characteristic of a sandwich
I think if we can answer this question, we will be capable of solving most of the social crises that currently threaten modern civilization.
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link
Are we saying that a hot dog bun is two slices of bread? Typically it comes as one unified bun.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
That is the most bonkers thing itt even beating out dog latin's assertion that filled baguettes are not sandwiches
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link
Xp
hinged bun already a confirmed non-issue, subway calls their sandwiches sandwiches and they come on hinged buns
― Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/2/12/1360687508527/Benugo-Tuna-mayo-salad-008.jpg
^unified bun
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:50 (nine years ago) link
^sandwich
^otm
A hot dog is a sandwich.
― rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Monday, August 3, 2015 12:35 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link
i agree with all of the above logic and yet i voted "not a sandwich" because "not a sandwich" is a feeling
― lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link
Like climate change denial
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 16:53 (nine years ago) link
"Typically it comes as one unified bun." - yes, also true of many bun/sub roll/baguette-based entities (as wins correctly notes).
Sloppy Joe - on a bun, fits the basic bread/stuff/bread criterion regardless of whether the bun-hinge is complete or severed. It is a sandwich.
Lobster roll - on a bun, fits the basic bread/stuff/bread criterion regardless of whether the bun-hinge is complete or severed. It is a sandwich,
Croque monsieur (cf. all open-faced sandwich-like entities): often served on ONE piece of bread. While it is not bread/meat/bread, it is still traditionally and rightly classed as a sandwich, via a grand-pere clause.
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 3 August 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link
I have no idea what a torta exactly is, but based on Jordan's photo I would eat the fuck out of one right now. That's amore.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 3 August 2015 16:59 (nine years ago) link
They are dope
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:00 (nine years ago) link
Yeah whatever that is it looks fucking awesome.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:03 (nine years ago) link
I voted non-sandwich despite having to acknowledge that the pro-sandwich people have logic on their side, guess it's kind of a heart/mind dichotomy.
― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:04 (nine years ago) link
Tortas are DOPE
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link
Torta cubana is the shit
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:08 (nine years ago) link
I'm hungry
The original question is a bit confusing because it does not specify is breading is involved or not. You could take it to mean a hot dog complete w the trappings or simply a hot dog straight out of the package, cooked solo over a campfire.
Agree that pro-sandwichers have logic on their side.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:10 (nine years ago) link
Spider dogs!
https://hotcheapeasy.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/2011-july-montauk-049.jpg
not a sandwich, but def awesome
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:13 (nine years ago) link
If 'open-faced' is a legitimate variety of sandwich, then the parameters of sandwichdom seem far-reaching indeed. If you don't even need two pieces of bread, who says you need bread at all? Looking forward to the sandwich avant garde.
― You open your face and all that comes out is garbage. (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link
http://www.bookcaseangel.com/images/octodog.jpg
― You open your face and all that comes out is garbage. (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link
― You open your face and all that comes out is garbage. (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link
hi dere molecular gastronomy: https://www.google.com/search?q=molecular+gastronomy+sandwich&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CDwQsARqFQoTCLyM2Yq1jccCFUPVgAodFfAA4Q&biw=1249&bih=585
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/38/7a/79/387a794cb7780e38c889f501504622a3.jpg
these fuckin guys
― j., Monday, 3 August 2015 17:21 (nine years ago) link
is-sandwich leaners are looking at this as question of scientific taxonomy, as if these were natural kinds; is-not-sandwich leaners see these as distinct cultural kinds, looking at this question more ethnographically & nominalistically
― drash, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:23 (nine years ago) link
If you don't even need two pieces of bread, who says you need bread at all?
And now, at long last, we arrive at the sorites paradox (though in truth we were there all along).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox
Most reasonable people will agree that one grain of sand is definitely not a heap of sand. Also, most reasonable people will agree that a million grains of sand definitely constitutes a heap of sand.
So at what point does it become a heap of sand? Two grains? Three? A hundred grains? If so, then why 100 grains and not 99 grains?
Similarly, if we say a sandwich requires two pieces of bread, why two and not one? Or three?
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
drash otm on the competing frames of reference.
I'm still on team "degrees of sandwich"
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:27 (nine years ago) link
I take the heap of sand with a pinch of salt.
― rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
Oh, and of course
http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/it-is-my-hope-that-i-will-be-remembered-as-a-great-10896
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
"Perhaps it will be treaties that will come to be known for eternity as Sandwiches. Great leaders of countries will say, "Let us enact a Sandwich, that our two nations shall cease to be enemies. By the terms of this most sacred and honorable Sandwich, let us have peace in our great lands." That would be a most fitting tribute to me, considering my tireless contributions to the treaty of Aix-la-Chapelle in 1748."
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
hey guys, i'm having a barbeque lunch meal on Tuesday. hamburger sandwiches and hot dog sandwiches will be served by humans, but please bring a side food dish. you'll probably want to wear short pants because it's supposed to be a high-temperature day.
-unabomber
― oh, i am a lonlely poster. i live in a box of posts. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link
enjoying Ye Mad Puffin posting itt because his name has been making me think of
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/C5E602/two-tins-of-ye-olde-oak-american-style-hot-dogs-sausages-in-brine-C5E602.jpg
― Hector Ringtone (DJ Mencap), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
― j.enjoyhotdogs (wins), Monday, August 3, 2015 11:53 AM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol :(
can't believe there are believe on this thread who haven't had a torta. i had two this weekend (which is atypical but welcome. although i have to be careful with some of the giant taqueria versions, because they are huge & bready and i know i'm incapable of saving half for later).
http://s3-media4.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/huYxR3suLcBDXRt6DWERyQ/o.jpg
― lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 3 August 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
Basically what I'm getting there is that they're a portal into the Sandwich Dimension.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 3 August 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link
so important to brine the hot dogs
― oh, i am a lonlely poster. i live in a box of posts. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 3 August 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link
what we talk about when we talk about sandwiches
― slugbuggy, Monday, 3 August 2015 20:17 (nine years ago) link
Similarly, if we say a sandwich requires two pieces of bread, why two and not one? Or three?― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, August 3, 2015 1:24 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, August 3, 2015 1:24 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
3 slices of bread in a club sandwich. one piece of toast between two pieces of untoasted bread is a toast sandwich. and if dagwood bumstead is to be believed, there may very well be no upper limit to the number of pieces of bread allowed to still call it a sandwich (aside from real-world physics and human biology, something DB gets to ignore).
is-sandwich leaners are looking at this as question of scientific taxonomy, as if these were natural kinds; is-not-sandwich leaners see these as distinct cultural kinds, looking at this question more ethnographically & nominalistically― drash, Monday, August 3, 2015 1:23 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― drash, Monday, August 3, 2015 1:23 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
imo this is a less a case of scientific/taxonomical vs cultural/ethnographical and more a case of sandwich as transgressive food delivery mechanism vs. tightly-curated finite list of predetermined, vetted creations. the "it's not a sandwich" crowd are like the people who see patrissy (a mix of patron and hennessy) as a "mixed drink" and not a "cocktail." frankly I'd include "wraps" as sandwiches if it didn't seem like everyone pita-industrial complex wasn't on a PR smear mission to ensure everyone believes it is superior to (and therefore not) a sandwich.
― Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Monday, 3 August 2015 20:39 (nine years ago) link
btw patrissy is real, someone told me about it on saturday. nas's brother drinks it.
― Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Monday, 3 August 2015 20:40 (nine years ago) link
of course he does
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2015 20:45 (nine years ago) link
Will M. makes good points. Since you mentioned drinks, this can be usefully compared with martini purism. Lots of things can be put in a martini glass and given a name that ends with "ini."
There will always be people who say that a martini can only be gin, vermouth, and an optional olive. Vodka makes it a non-martini automatically (to those holding this purist view), and if you're using a pearl onion you must call it a Gibson BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS CALLED. A vodka-based chocolate-orange-tini can never be a martini (to those holding this purist view).
I personally don't care enough to get up in arms about it but I am amused that there are those for whom "vodka martini" constitute fightin' words.
― Ye Mad Puffin, Monday, 3 August 2015 20:50 (nine years ago) link
imo this is a less a case of scientific/taxonomical vs cultural/ethnographical and more a case of sandwich as transgressive food delivery mechanism vs. tightly-curated finite list of predetermined, vetted creations
dying
― marcos, Monday, 3 August 2015 20:51 (nine years ago) link
one piece of toast between two pieces of untoasted bread is a toast sandwich.
somehow I missed this when I read Will's post before and it's genius
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
That's some bread connoisseur work, at that point you're not even in it for the carb kick, it's the contrast of the textures.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 3 August 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
"First you butter the bread, then you butter the toast, then you butter the other bread""But-""Different butters!"
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 3 August 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toast_sandwich
this wikipedia article is 100% gems, i almost want to poll that article's best parts
― Bouncy Castlevania (Will M.), Monday, 3 August 2015 21:07 (nine years ago) link
white bread (slightly heated)salt & pepperolive oilwhite bread (toasted)olive oilsalt & pepperwhite bread (slightly heated)
― stoomcursus rockisme (unregistered), Thursday, 2 July 2015 02:04 (1 month ago)
― stoomcursus rockisme (unregistered), Monday, 3 August 2015 21:25 (nine years ago) link