― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 3 December 2005 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 3 December 2005 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 4 December 2005 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 4 December 2005 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link
there is actually an offence of "drugging"
― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 4 December 2005 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link
Drugging
(1) A person who administers any drug or other substance to another person
(a) with intent to stupefy that person or being reckless as to whether that person is stupefied;
(b) with intent to facilitate the commission of an offence against that person or being reckless as to whether such an offence is committed; or
(c) with intent that that person commits an offence, or being reckless as to whether that person commits an offence, is guilty of the offence of drugging.
(2) Subsection (1)(a) does not apply
(a) if the drug or substance is administered in the course of lawful medical or dental treatment; or
(b) if the other person, knowing the likely effects of the drug or substance, requested or consented to its administration.
(3) For the purpose of this section administering a drug or substance includes causing it to be taken.
― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 4 December 2005 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link
You don't need (1) (b) or (c) on top of (a) do you? Isn't (a) enough as long as the exclusions in (2) don't apply?
― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 4 December 2005 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 4 December 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link
The offence in subsection (1)(a) does not require an intent to do anything, or recklessness as to anything, beyond stupefying the victim. The essence of the offence is a violation of the victim’s interest in freedom of action and volition.
― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 4 December 2005 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link
At common law “drugging” would generally be treated as a form of causing real injury. There is, according to Gordon, no reported instance of a charge of drugging without an ulterior intent such as theft, but various older texts, including Alison, Macdonald and Anderson are all of the view that stupefaction without an ulterior intent would be unlawful.
― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 4 December 2005 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 4 December 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 4 December 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mädchen (Madchen), Sunday, 4 December 2005 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link
coo, the things you miss when you're at the citizens' with a six-year-old watching "charlotte's web" (which, incidentally, is astonishing and joyous and beautiful).
a painfully contrite phil asked me by e-mail to mention that he's not a complete knobhead. i can vouch for that: he really isn't. even though i get the impression he behaved like one last night.
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― stet (stet), Sunday, 4 December 2005 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link
my addled brane just remembers lucy saying: "something someone ILX somewhere" and me going: "TOP I SHALL BUY MORE BEER" and then having to make up the round on the spot at the bar because i couldn't remember what anybody wanted.
next time i shall try to have enough functioning brain cells to actually talk, mooro.
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 4 December 2005 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 December 2005 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 5 December 2005 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link
I can't actually remember anything else, right enough. Except scoffing lots of Celebrations.
― stet (stet), Monday, 5 December 2005 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ally C (Ally C), Monday, 5 December 2005 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 December 2005 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 5 December 2005 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 5 December 2005 10:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― stet (stet), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 5 December 2005 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link
You bought me the right drink, as well!
― Mooro (Mooro), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link
i'm frankly astonished by getting the right drink. wow! good to meet you, anyway: i look forward to doing it again, properly.
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm going to tell them I did my knee in dancing to all their songs and they will kiss me
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― KeefW (kmw), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 5 December 2005 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link
I have no major injuries, as yet.
― Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 00:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― jeffrey (johnson), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mooro (Mooro), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― bato (bato), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link
Mooro, that was Phil, of apology fame.
They were meant to start giving me a new bathroom today :(
― stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― stet (stet), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link
: )
― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link