Go on then, who do you reckon will win? The Labour Leadership contest, that is...

'we' as in comrades, as in 'our friends, hamas' ;-)

fair - say instead "the idea that the context of this should be noted"

you could read like a handful of the last few posts instead of ilx sensible chieftain summarising the thread for me and it'd be quite clear i myself said the context was missed.

that doesn't change the fact that it is quite weird for a male politician to tout quite a bad idea and defend it with "oh some women told me this" and "btw i dunno if this is even right but hey let's talk about it" and not be met with total derision.

i support corbyn but for that to be met itt with a comment that's anti some strawmen who are attacking the comments of another man on sexual harassment against women, a man who's actually running against two women for a position of power, well it does seem pretty confused.

i mean maybe corbyn should be silent about this and let yvette cooper and liz kendall speak?

Ghost of Thatcher or nothing imo.

it is quite weird for a male politician to tout quite a bad idea and defend it with "oh some women told me this" and "btw i dunno if this is even right but hey let's talk about it" and not be met with total derision

Don't agree with this at all. Why would it merit total derision given it's obviously not a bad idea to the women who suggested it to Corbyn. Men are often called on to raise these issues because women feel they themselves are too readily dismissed (by men) and a wider women-only spaces discussion should occur which this could encourage.

I'm not really with 'no men' spaces on public transport as a thing (plus perhaps Overground-style unicarriages likely to increase on short distance services anyway) but the derision for even suggesting it is ridic.

Men are often called on to raise these issues because women feel they themselves are too readily dismissed (by men)

by who?

i mean maybe corbyn should be silent about this and let yvette cooper and liz kendall speak?

lol

Even if they privately agree they won't mention it for fear of upsetting some disgruntled Tory voter in Derby.

i'm maybe being particularly dense but i can't at all discern what you're getting at lg. for one thing plenty of women think it's not such a bad idea.

It's also an idea that already exists in other cities

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/26/labour-leadership-election-party-to-check-voting-history-of-new-supporters

But it is understood that people will not be automatically excluded based on how the canvass data says they have voted in the past. It is more likely that a new supporter found to have voted Conservative, Green, Liberal Democrat or for another party would be telephoned by party HQ to check whether they have just changed their political persuasion or are in fact an infiltrator.

check how, exactly?

'Are you voting for Corbyn or for one of the three Labour candidates?'

what % of the electorate gets canvassed? I never have been. I've never lived anywhere that isn't a pretty rock solid Labour seat though - I guess it's more likely if you live in a marginal?

Repeat after me: "Margaret Thatcher was a terrible thing to happen"

That'll sort out the Tory infiltrators

what % of the electorate gets canvassed?

i had never been canvassed until this Labour seat since 1945 looked like it would go SNP in May which of course it did.

this is the most astonishingly desperate example of elitist, clubby behavior that i can ever remember seeing in british or american politics. you need a hunter s. thompson to tell a story this craven and stupid.

One day we'll look back at this and laugh.

These are the salad days.

It will get much worse.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNz_t8bWUAAIAJ3.jpg:large

"Corbyn's bid to turn Britain into Zimbawe" ftw!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/01/labour-jeremy-corbyn-chuka-umunna?CMP=share_btn_tw

chuka umunna hoping that nobody's kept july and august's newspapers

There's a lot of awkward shuffling going on right now. Should be fun.

how very modernised of him

Craven as it is, he's demonstrated more savvy here than I assumed he was capable of

on one hand sure, but on the other hand when even yr Blairism is a negotiable position of convenience...can't roll my eyes high enough

Well either he himself sees Blairism to be a sham or he's conscious of the fact that most of the electorate do.

Either way between this and the resistance thing with Hunt, he's doing a pretty good job keeping himself relevant whilst hedging hard

I think you are giving him way too much credit, he is just doing what any bland party functionary does when their position becomes under threat - slither into another position and see if they can further themselves from it.

Probably and true enough but at this stage he's slithered more effectively than most other Blairites.

Well, for all that some seem to be considering splitting off like the SDP did, difference was that "Gang of four" were well-known and nobody knows this bunch.

Remind me how that SDP thing worked out for all concerned, must have been some success story for people to be considering it again.

OK, they got people keen for a bit, they had some initial success, but then faded out.

A bit like Badfinger if they were four other blokes also in the Beatles, with the hits they had on their own, and if they subsequently merged with the Rolling Stones.

Oh, and the four who formed the gang all got knighted in the end.

Polly Toynbee came out of with barely a scratch on her.

out of where?

The SDP.

how fair should we be to barely disguised Tories?

Conveyor/Show Trials/Execution sounds pretty fair to me.

A bit of their own medicine.

https://mytiarascrooked.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/tumblr_inline_mhd2xf1ym61r71zdp.gif

Jeremy Corbyn scored an overwhelming lead over his rivals during the Sky News Labour debate, according to an unofficial poll of viewers using Sky Pulse.

The numbers are hilarious:

Jeremy Corbyn 80.7%
Liz Kendall 8.5%
Yvette Cooper 6.1%
Andy Burnham 4.7%.

Some good news for Kendall at last!

We all know David Aaranovitch is a massive cunt but he was reaching the heights on Newsnight last night. Complete, utter failure to engage with anything anybody says. The usual bored jaded nonsense.

Burnham has really tanked this campaign hasn't he? Guessing there'll be a big flow of voters from Burnham to Cooper. Corbyn will win, but the result will be a lot closer than people expect.

He spent a lot of time talking up the common ground he shared with Corbyn and there was that bollocks about "harnessing this energy" and then he disagreed with all Corbyn's policies apart from on Rail nationalisation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXXJ3NrjplY&sns=em

That's what a future PM looks like.

I got an email from John Prescott which started:

Hello comrade! (We can still say that can't we?)

I'm going to break the habit of a lifetime and be brief.

That's what a future PM looks like

nooooooooooooooooooo