Quentin Tarantino's "The Hateful Eight"

https://i.imgflip.com/q4k5v.jpg

Death Proof is v well done, but I feel incapable of watching it in the detached, meta-aware way that it seems to require and instead just get nauseated.

muscle cars, zoe bell, rosario dawson and kurt russell: it's like he KNOWS me

‘‘If you’ve made money being a critic in black culture in the last 20 years you have to deal with me,’’ he says. ‘‘You must have an opinion of me. You must deal with what I’m saying and deal with the consequences.’’ He pauses, considers. ‘‘If you sift through the criticism,’’ he says, ‘‘you’ll see it’s pretty evenly divided between pros and cons. But when the black critics came out with savage think pieces about ‘Django,’ I couldn’t have cared less. If people don’t like my movies, they don’t like my movies, and if they don’t get it, it doesn’t matter. The bad taste that was left in my mouth had to do with this: It’s been a long time since the subject of a writer’s skin was mentioned as often as mine. You wouldn’t think the color of a writer’s skin should have any effect on the words themselves. In a lot of the more ugly pieces my motives were really brought to bear in the most negative way. It’s like I’m some supervillain coming up with this stuff.’"

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/12/t-magazine/quentin-tarantino-bret-easton-ellis-interview.html

Yes how could the color of someone's skin possibly matter in this world, thank you Quentin Tarantino

That URL alone sort of tells the whole story doesn't it

it sure does

As hugely influential as his earlier movies were (there seemed to be thousands of terrible rip-offs throughout the ’90s and into the 2000s), it’s impossible now to imagine an earnest 20-something millennial dreaming up a film as perverse and lurid as ‘‘Pulp Fiction’’ or ‘‘Reservoir Dogs’’ or anything else he’s made. In an era obsessed with ‘‘triggering’’ and ‘‘microaggressions’’ and the policing of language, the Tarantino oeuvre is relentlessly un-PC: His movies are impolite, rude, irresponsible and somewhat cold.

lol jesus

The Conceptual Adventures of ERNEST, The 20-Something Millennial

Bret Easton Ellis idiot.

It's hard to imagine Reservoir Dogs being made by a bunch of fucking babies amirite QT hi five

As hugely influential as his earlier movies were (there seemed to be thousands of terrible rip-offs throughout the ’90s and into the 2000s), it’s impossible now to imagine an earnest 20-something millennial dreaming up a film as perverse and lurid as ‘‘Pulp Fiction’’ or ‘‘Reservoir Dogs’’ or anything else he’s made.

Hmmn pretty sure it's totally possible to imagine a filmmaker making a film like Reservoir Dogs (Pulp Fiction a little harder to imagine, that's a pretty odd movie and very of a time).

the cocaine round table

Bret Easton Ellis idiot.

― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:13 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ellis seems like such an arrogant, smug creep in interviews and on twitter that i feel embarrassed for ever liking any of his work even a little bit

talk like that is likely to get you kicked off of Brett Easton Ellis Island

yeah it's kind of startling to realize that this guy who some people once thought was some kind of wunderkind of literature is actually just like your dumb bigoted uncle who everyone rolls their eyes at

i think all those author photos of him looking gloomy and contemplative made people assume he was actually a serious writer and not just a guy who got really really lucky

Misanthrope is misanthropic!

shallow cynic is shallowly cynical

"yeah it's kind of startling to realize that this guy who some people once thought was some kind of wunderkind of literature"

Some people are idiots.

Was he ever called a wunderkind? I've read his mid eighties press clippings. Seems like he was a star more than a litterateur.

he managed to be at all the right bars and club openings with the Brat Pack, McInerney, the Brat Pack, Janowitz, et al.

the Brat Pack too

http://www.schallerweber.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Bratwurst-450x300.jpg

He went Didion when everyone was going Carver and it worked out.

i think what you guys are saying is he and Tarantella deserve each other

i'm not sure ellis was ever remotely critically acclaimed - less than zero got some buzz in and sold well, then rules of attraction was slaughtered by critics who couldn't wait to dismiss this twerp, then the american psycho drama where the controversy and it changing publishers helped it get taken more seriously than it would've otherwise. i would guess mcinerney got treated more nicely by critics, nevermind donna tartt.

anyway yes definitely him and tarantino deserve each other

Ellis would've loved Vine in 1985.

pretty much!

I can guiltily enjoy works from both of them, but their juxtaposition is going to reveal their similarities more than differences, and their similarities are... not good.

Worst moment of academe in the last 25 years isn't trigger warnings, it's American Psycho making it in syllabi.

I can't remember, which adaptation is Ellis most fond of? I was thinking it was Rules of Attraction, which has some loathsome moments but overall has the most human characters. And the really repulsive characters come off as repulsive on screen, even when there are hints of charisma

Worst sin of adapting BEE is allowing viewers to feel characters are more charismatic than repulsive

Ellis's best book is Glamorama anyhow.

It's the only I've felt like rereading. Never reread it, but I considered it.

rules of attraction feels the most like an actual ellis novel, american psycho the best ellis film adaptation obv. similar to how the shining or carrie are best stephen king adaptations but the mist or misery feel most like his novels.

i'm not sure ellis was ever remotely critically acclaimed - less than zero got some buzz in and sold well, then rules of attraction was slaughtered by critics who couldn't wait to dismiss this twerp, then the american psycho drama where the controversy and it changing publishers helped it get taken more seriously than it would've otherwise. i would guess mcinerney got treated more nicely by critics, nevermind donna tartt.

― balls, Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:08 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well yeah i guess but if you were a teenager in the 1980s and 1990s there were always a bunch of assholes who thought he was the bee's knees

i happen to think tarantino is really talented but i would never suggest he was anything but full of shit

Hitchcock:Didion :: Tarantino:Ellis

yeah i mean i guess it speaks somewhat well of him as a human being (in that eventually somewhere if you dig around enough you'll be able to find a kind of violence even tarantino doesn't get a giggly hardon for) but i thought one of the many flaws is he just didn't know how to deal w/ that reality, his skillset didn't work w/ it (he'd almost have been better off doing a much more offensive exploitation pic like his beloved mandingo, at least that he could've executed better), whereas someone like spielberg (esp mature spielberg, maybe not 1985 spielberg so much) would've been able to craft something that worked as straightforward entertainment and acknowledged/honored the history.

not sure if spielberg's historical films are really a good balance to tarantino

Lunar Park my favorite Ellis book: crypto-memoir about partying with Emilio Estefan while blowing dudes in restrooms.

Rules of Attraction is a fantastic movie for this scene alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCvG1TCyikM

The director later took a lot more of the footage he shot (he spent two weeks following the actor around Europe) and turned it into a 90 minute movie I've never seen.

Has anyone seen it? I could have sworn it never became a thing

It's OK.

Tarantino is about a 60 million times better director than Ellis is a writer, but I can't dispute that QT sounds like a complete jackass every time he's interviewed.

Tarantino being "very talented" is about as relevant as Bill Clinton being "very smart." They are most notable for squandering those gifts.

He's not everyone's cup of tea. Can't all be Spielbergs.

yeah i talk shit but i'll be seeing hateful eightful this xmas i know

I can't remember, which adaptation is Ellis most fond of?

Zoolander is my fave.

xps Beg to differ. Rules of Attraction is a fantastic movie for this scene alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErNGS9JsYt8