the left doesn't seem able to muster up much of a reaction to the right, it seems to begin and end with reposting john stewart oliver daily show rants on facebook and saying "this." There's not enough anger.
Anyway 9/11 is odd bc it's not something that frightens me as possibly occurring again, it just lives in my memory as this really horrific one off. And also as the window of opportunity the US had to prove we weren't douchebags but then of course we blew that opportunity good.
― nomar, Saturday, 12 September 2015 22:31 (nine years ago) link
we should never ever ever "get over it." that's a fucking awful thing to say.
― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 12 September 2015 23:29 (nine years ago) link
u must be new here
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― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 12 September 2015 23:33 (nine years ago) link
"Team America World Police" and "Fahrenheit 911" were both left wing band-aids
Yeah the movie that posited Michael Moore as a suicide bomber trying to kill the only people protecting America, and Alec Baldwin, Matt Damon et al. as members of an all-powerful actors' cabal called "F.A.G." was a left wing band aid. Good job apprehending culture as usual, Bruneau.
― I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Sunday, 13 September 2015 00:25 (nine years ago) link
I watched the second plane hit live, I had came back from an open day at a university, it was afternoon britishes time, my first reaction was woah awesome until i thought oh yeah skyscraper and plane there must be so many dead then II felt p remorseful
― you too could be called a 'Star' by the Compliance Unit (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 13 September 2015 00:26 (nine years ago) link
Haha yeah team america world police is an apology for US foreign policy. found it pretty funny but vile politically. Not for nothing is south park republican a thing on the internet
― you too could be called a 'Star' by the Compliance Unit (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 13 September 2015 00:27 (nine years ago) link
I never took Team America that way.
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 13 September 2015 00:35 (nine years ago) link
Like, the whole "dick-pussy-asshole" speech has been quoted ad infinitum by glibertarian and right wings warmongers since the movie came out.
― I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Sunday, 13 September 2015 00:36 (nine years ago) link
I see your point. At the time though (I've only seen it once, in the theater, on release) it felt like an antidote to self serious Mission Accomplished nationalism.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 13 September 2015 00:40 (nine years ago) link
otm w glibertarian
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 13 September 2015 00:41 (nine years ago) link
In another interview, Parker and Stone further clarified the end of the film which seems to justify the role of the United States as the "World Police."[33]
Because that's the thing that we realized when we were making the movie. It was always the hardest thing. We wanted to deal with this emotion of being hated as an American. That was the thing that was intriguing to us, and having Gary [the main character] deal with that emotion. And so, him becoming ashamed to be a part of Team America and being ashamed of himself, he comes to realize that, just as he got his brother killed by gorillas — he didn't kill his brother; he wasn't a dick, he wasn't an asshole — so too does America have this role in the world as a dick. Cops are dicks, you fucking hate cops, but you need 'em.
― nomar, Sunday, 13 September 2015 00:43 (nine years ago) link
as with most movies, the filmmakers' insights don't really matter to me
― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 13 September 2015 01:09 (nine years ago) link
nor do the stuff dumb idiots take from it. some people probably took "slavery, fuck yeah!" at face value, too.
I watched the second plane hit live, I had came back from an open day at a university
exact same for me, don't suppose it was uuuuuh actually i've forgotten, strathclyde i think?
― Merdeyeux, Sunday, 13 September 2015 01:21 (nine years ago) link
Anybody else get recurring bomb threats at their college in the days after? We had at least two in our library
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 13 September 2015 01:28 (nine years ago) link
No I actually still drove to school that morning and every class was just 4 or 5 students and the teacher looking sad and cancelling class. I ended up hanging out with my best friends and we went bowling and I'm not sure if that place was closed or not but it is always good to be with the people you love in the face of such horror.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 13 September 2015 01:38 (nine years ago) link
I think as we've killed a few hundred thousand people who had nothing to do with it in response, we should PARTICULARLY get the moth-er-fuck over it.
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 13 September 2015 01:41 (nine years ago) link
It is the killing that we should get over.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 13 September 2015 01:42 (nine years ago) link
so true, and out of respect for lost lives I will not trench that
― rip van wanko, Sunday, 13 September 2015 02:44 (nine years ago) link
I also resented the "9/11 brought the country together" narrative and talked of the unity of the nation in the days following. I felt like any 'unity' was short-lived. I really felt like it brought a lot of ugly out of the civilian population - what with the civilians who committed "revenge" murders against people they thought were Arabs in the days following, people who used it as excuses for xenophobia, etc.
like we were all back to hating each other's guts by the weekend!
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, September 12, 2015 4:54 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This reminds me that shortly after the Iraq war began I went to work at a small newspaper in New Jersey, and I learned of but was unable to write about a little french cafe that began to suffer from harassment and reduced business during the "freedom fries" episode -- eggings, people yelling shit out of car windows, etc. The owners were an American Vietnam Vet and his Vietnamese wife.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Sunday, 13 September 2015 03:12 (nine years ago) link
(was unable to write about because the owners didn't want any more attention and I couldn't really write the story without being able to quote them anyway)
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Sunday, 13 September 2015 03:13 (nine years ago) link
oh christ, the "Freedom fries" debacle.
it really was a drag to be alive in the US in 2003-2004.
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, 13 September 2015 03:20 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, I mean it's really as much or more that kind of shit vs 9/11 itself that shook my sense of security in the world, sort of like realizing you're on a ship with no captain and no course.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Sunday, 13 September 2015 03:45 (nine years ago) link
Coalition of the Willing would make a good Depeche Mode album.
― how's life, Sunday, 13 September 2015 04:44 (nine years ago) link
Would not like Australian PM John Howard's solos on that
― as verbose and purple as a Peter Ustinov made of plums (James Morrison), Sunday, 13 September 2015 09:09 (nine years ago) link
It's going to be a real drag to live in the US from 2018-end
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 13 September 2015 09:56 (nine years ago) link
we'd have ya but I'm worried you might be a little too catholic tbh
― deejerk reactions (darraghmac), Sunday, 13 September 2015 11:07 (nine years ago) link
we should never ever ever "get over it."
I'm not sure what it would look or feel like to obey this dictum, but it strikes me as unnecessarily absolute, especially since the ceaseless wars, the Patriot Act, the xenophobia, and all the other 'responses' to the attacks have affected my life much more directly and much more negatively than the original attacks ever did.
Thinking of 9/11 makes me rather wish that our leaders had showed a lot more wisdom and far less naked political opportunism afterward. Maybe if we finally "got over it", we could disengage our emotions long enough to walk back a few of the stupider, uglier and more harmful consequences of that day.
― Aimless, Monday, 14 September 2015 00:03 (nine years ago) link
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Sunday, September 13, 2015 3:20 AM (Yesterday)
yeah the lead-up to the iraq invasion is the single most horrible time in recent history for me, just an endless stream of idiots defending the indefensible basically everywhere you looked, ppl you'd normally think of as sensible and decent buying into the bush horrorshow. and all these years later i still run into ppl who are like "well, they attacked us first!"
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 14 September 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link
it was a dark fucking time
― Οὖτις, Monday, 14 September 2015 19:12 (nine years ago) link
remember that time george w bush won an election because he was the ceo president who just needed to delegate effectively because we were approaching the end of history and permanent prosperity? that was awesome.
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 14 September 2015 19:14 (nine years ago) link
it's disconcerting for me personally cuz on a personal level things were p great for me between 2000-2008 (marriage, first child born, busy w cool stuff etc.) but then on the macro level everything was such a colossal fucking bummer
― Οὖτις, Monday, 14 September 2015 19:17 (nine years ago) link
I participated in 2 anti-war protests on campus in 2003. The level of vitriol spewed at those participating was nothing liked I'd ever seen. Strangers came up and screamed at us. Everywhere I went, some friend or acquaintance was talking nasty rhetoric about "anti war protesters" without realizing I was one. I was depressed knowing that the war was going to fuck both our country and Iraq up in terms of lost lives and destroyed economies, and nothing anybody was going to say was going to change it.
The delusions of pro-war supporters amazed me. I was at work at a retail store the day Saddam was caught and everybody kept coming up to me, excited, that we caught him. A radio deejay talked about how she was finally convinced the war would end (when by that point he was a figurehead and little more).
the freedom fries thing was insult to injury. You got your war, now you're bringing xenophobia and nauseating nationalism into it over fabricated wounds.
If there was ever an option to have lived in a cave with a fully furnished fridge, air conditioning, and no phone or television, 2003-2004 was it.
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, 14 September 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link
i had some horrible piece of shit middle aged woman go off at me on a flight from SF to London around this time because she (correctly) sensed i was anti- the war and went on this crazy bizarre mental voyage that meant i was anti-war because it was cool and the cool kids hated her in high school and they were all anti-vietnam and they were on drugs and so on and so on. she was sat next to me, and we only interacted because i showed this dumb piece of shit how to make movies come on the screen and she saw the book i was reading or something and started just being really vile and personal and nasty and i lost it and told her she was an awful piece of shit and that i could not talk to her any longer and just put my earphones on and ignored her for the next ten or so hours. like i was about to scream at her. it escalated so quickly, and i don't think i was to blame.
from SF!!
― fund metal health (stevie), Monday, 14 September 2015 20:39 (nine years ago) link
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― the late great, Monday, 14 September 2015 21:21 (nine years ago) link
Islam is a cult that does not co-exist with other muslims. Can't argue with that logic!
― I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Monday, 14 September 2015 21:56 (nine years ago) link
never trust a Geer
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, 14 September 2015 21:58 (nine years ago) link
yeah im really upset we didnt kill all 1.5 billion muslims 'while we were there'
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 14 September 2015 22:13 (nine years ago) link
odds are p good that this is the type of guy who when challenged even weakly, starts backpedaling and shouting things like "AIN"T I ENTITLED TO MY OPINION"
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, 14 September 2015 22:20 (nine years ago) link
someone set us up the 9/11
― balls, Monday, 14 September 2015 23:09 (nine years ago) link
hand me the 9/11
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 15 September 2015 01:17 (nine years ago) link
No one remembers the Lusitania.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 15 September 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link
let alone the maine
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 September 2015 15:29 (nine years ago) link
The Guy from Devo Is Sorry About His Twin Towers-Shaped Wedding Cake, Which He Says Was a 'Set-Up'
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO8eE-vW8AAmeuE.jpg
(Yes, those are box-cutter party favors.)
― I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Tuesday, 15 September 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link
respek knuckles for the supremely bad taste of that
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 15 September 2015 15:32 (nine years ago) link
I get sick each year of everybody recounting where they were on 9/11. it feels like morbid pageantry
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 11 September 2016 14:52 (eight years ago) link
facebook friend was all "so can we be real about 9/11 not being a terorist attack now" and unironically talked abt jet fuel cant melt steel beams
for a minute i felt like a grossed-out david attenborough
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 11 September 2016 14:58 (eight years ago) link
"defriend"
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 11 September 2016 14:59 (eight years ago) link
I am so glad FB didn't exist on 9/11
the other 'forbidden thought' (which I"m sure I probably posted in years past) is everybody remembering the "solidarity" we felt in the aftermath. it was a mirage - everybody was back to fighting and being dicks within a week, they just maybe thought an extra .03 seconds before flipping you the bird.
in a way it kind of helped accelerate the polarization of the parties.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 11 September 2016 15:06 (eight years ago) link