Quentin Tarantino's "The Hateful Eight"

Rules of Attraction is a fantastic movie for this scene alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCvG1TCyikM

The director later took a lot more of the footage he shot (he spent two weeks following the actor around Europe) and turned it into a 90 minute movie I've never seen.

Has anyone seen it? I could have sworn it never became a thing

It's OK.

Tarantino is about a 60 million times better director than Ellis is a writer, but I can't dispute that QT sounds like a complete jackass every time he's interviewed.

Tarantino being "very talented" is about as relevant as Bill Clinton being "very smart." They are most notable for squandering those gifts.

He's not everyone's cup of tea. Can't all be Spielbergs.

yeah i talk shit but i'll be seeing hateful eightful this xmas i know

I can't remember, which adaptation is Ellis most fond of?

Zoolander is my fave.

xps Beg to differ. Rules of Attraction is a fantastic movie for this scene alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErNGS9JsYt8

unrecognized inspiration for Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker, surely

oh great, ive turned this into a BEEllis thread.

should've emphasized the "HBO in public" angle

Of Ellis I only like Less Than Zero, Rules of Attraction & American Psycho. Informers was ok, but I haven't liked anything from Glamorama on

I like pretty much all of QT's films.

Don't like Tarantino, aside from Jackie Brown. Hard-pressed to think of a movie that holds up less well than Pulp Fiction - maybe Hackers. His fetish for widescreen projection is just a very rich boy's version of audiophile dorkery; if the movie you're watching is a piece of shit, it doesn't matter if it's on an IMAX screen or an iPhone. And he's been posturing as some kind of brave iconoclast spreading the word of racial-unity-through-crassness for at least 20 years. It's never been anything but embarrassing for all involved.

comment invalidated by the timelessness of Hackers

a movie that holds up less well than Pulp Fiction

before Django my opinion has always been that this was his weakest movie. Inglorious Basterds is the masterpiece.

has always

was always

jackie brown > the movies that aren't on either side of this slot > reservoir dogs

I guess I have lost objectivity on Pulp Fiction, hard for me now to assess it's good/badness. I always get caught up remembering how great it was seeing it for the first time in the theater & get kinda stuck in the nostalgia of watching it

idk if that's a thing? call it "the star wars effect"

man I really can't stand IB, in large part thanks to Christoph Waltz's terrible mugging and how his penchant for long takes is really a facile way to gin up tension.

Waltz can't perform without projecting how adorable he is.

i love pulp fiction but one time i flipped by it during the "if you had a pot belly, i would punch you in it" scene and man oh man is that not the one to flip by the movie during

one of those films where so much of what made it fresh and novel has been normalized that the stuff people DIDN'T bother to lift is often with good reason

Waltz doesn't bother me - he's cartoonish, sure, but he's hardly alone on that count, the general hamminess on display (with the notable exception of the only two virtuous main characters in the film) is part and parcel of the film's overall fairytale approach.

i like waltz but i also like imagining john malkovich planning to kill him for eating his lunch

haha true

QT can do realism + naturalistic dialogue, but IB isn't about that - it's operating in an explicitly unrealistic milieu of archetypes and wish fulfillment

i like ib more in hindsight but i still think it's a bummer tarantino has gone from an unpredictable mix of action-heavy and dialogue-heavy scenes - you never knew which the next would be - to long dialogue scenes directly leading to (if not outright discussing) the following action-heavy scenes. i have to assume he found his time-jump hijinks getting cliche but the alternative seems relatively leaden coming from him

i totally understand if people think his revenge flick period is overrated - at this point basically all well-known auteurs are "overrated" because the middlebrow audience is given so few directors with an aggressively authorial style - but i still think they're worthwhile

Rules of Attraction is a fantastic movie for this scene alone

It's also, funnily enough, the link between QT and BEE, since the director (Roger Avary) co-wrote Reservoir Dogs, True Romance and Pulp Fiction, the first two uncredited. And the fact that they never worked together again is considered by some (including me) to be the main reason why QT has never bettered those early films.

is it that qt specifically needs roger avary or that qt needs a non-kiss-ass-if-still-obviously-beta collaborator

i'm with shakey, IB is the one.

for damn sure he bettered PF and RD and especially TR...and it happened when he based a movie on a novel.

IB is def my favorite

IB is best. Death Proof is also fairly underrated.

Christoph Waltz's terrible mugging ... Waltz can't perform without projecting how adorable he is

these qualities belong to the character. judging from other waltz performances (including django) they also belong to him, but qt's major talent area has always been casting.

i like the long takes tho. attendez la creme.

Did Waltz show any real acting range in the Tim Burton or Polanski films he did?

he was an absolute gargoyle in the burton movie, but i can't put that all on him.

like if you think he was unctuously over the top as an sadistic ss officer you should see him as an unsupportive husband

Four Rooms 4 lyfe yall

I'm not looking for range. His screen presence is tiresome.

I'd say his talent was casting, based on the appearance of Scrunchy Face, Waltz, and the insistence on casting himself.

callow glib frat-boy prince pretending to be a king is kind of the role scrunchy face was born to play too

not making any arguments for qt appearances though no.

destiny turns on the radio was on tv the other day. there's a movie from the 1990s.

waltz was excellent in IB but I think he was better in DU. Somewhat better as a good guy with murky motives than a delightful nazi.

though I think he'll be perfect for spectre

callow glib frat-boy prince pretending to be a king is kind of the role scrunchy face was born to play too

― playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour),

oh so you're not referring to Waltz

sweaty bigface is a blight on moviedom

the only time I've ever enjoyed him was Wolf of Wall St and even there it felt like he was just doing a Ray Liotta impression

The reaction to his recent films actually has me wondering if reservoir dogs would have gotten higher marks if told as a straight narrative - the tragic story of an undercover cop whose deal we knew from the get-go. Acquiring that straightforward narrative engine certainly hasn't cost him in terms of acclaim and audience