Buttload of Faith: the 2016 Presidential Primary Thread (Pt 2)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

xpost So many of the replies to Trump's tweet were all "how can numbers be racist?!". As if those turds wouldn't have balked mightily at stats that opposed their fucked up worldview

Seriously, fuck this country, we deserve the Chump

i'd be shocked if trump was the next potus. by contrast would anyone be shocked if marie le pen was the next pm of france? so we have it pretty good i think.

tim that's in a constrained 1on1 q vs hillary

like, here's another tab from that same page:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_fiorina_vs_clinton-5470.html

every head to head matchup has numbers in the 40s

yeah it broadly reflects party support rather than candidate support

xp

Yeah, exactly! I thought in the post I quoted that you were comparing him to European far-right party popularity based on the idea that his 25-30% or whatever it is nationwide in the primary field amounts to something like 10% of support nationwide. But I think the head-to-head match-ups are more troubling!

xp

Yes to Shakey but nevertheless over 40% of the people surveyed in every one of the polls said they would actually vote for him specifically.

I think you're misreading that

I mean you're right in that if the question was phrased "who would you vote for, Hillary or Trump", 40% said Trump but that does not mean that those people would vote for Trump under any circumstances

your first sentence is exactly what i meant, yeah. but no i think the h2h matchups are not that illustrative of anything because they're all about the same no matter which candidate you're talking about!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/sanders_vs._republicans.html

No repub is going to be elected president in 2016. I'll bet one person on here $10

i think that's a safe bet but tbh who knows what could happen. a major terrorist attack in the US coupled with another economic downturn could put prez donald in the white house

nah

Equal parts unsurprising and fucking wow.

Just caught up with Trump's crime statistics now (it's hard to keep track of Trump stuff--I thought all the commentary above had to do with his Paris-related pronouncements). Same reaction as Old Lunch--or as Robert Downey says in Zodiac, "Jesus Harold Christ on rubber crutches."

Trump definitely has the thoughtful, measured temperament to respond appropriately to a terrorist attack, that I am sure of.

Meanwhile here's the thoughtful, measured temperament:

Hillary Clinton favors an activist American foreign policy, and Rubio mentioned to me that he was rereading “The Last Lion,” by William Manchester. He said, “It’s this book about Churchill. It’s really long. Only because I’m just so fascinated by the leadership he provided.” He went on, “Churchill was a guy who was largely ignored through much of the thirties as a warmonger, and a guy that was crying wolf, and Chamberlain was this heroic figure that was going to achieve peace in our time by diplomacy. And I think, in many cases, we’re kind of at a similar moment, where many of us, including myself, are warning about dangers that are percolating around the world and what they could turn into [bold mine-DL]. Whether it’s Iran, Russia, China, North Korea, or radical Islam.”

I love the excited way in which he discovers conventional wisdom.

that's pretty lol. "ooooh that's why we've been calling the president an appeaser"

No repub is going to be elected president in 2016.

Not likely; entirely possible.

one more interesting thing about that poll:

http://i.imgur.com/wDFBES4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/S551VHr.jpg

"There's a part of me that wishes Trump were more outrageous and entertaining, but I'm supporting him anyway because I think he has a really good chance to win next November."

https://twitter.com/jameshupp/status/668924133581963264

omg

hahahahaaaa

many such teachings

It’s this book about Churchill. It’s really long.

an intellectual giant, I tell you

on a more serious (??) note, i had an awakening when i found the facebook page of the current majority leader of the wisconsin house of representatives, and his favorite books were:

- the fountainhead
- the bible
- one of those christian self-help things like "10 ways to get to heaven"

it hit me how many of these folks are highly skilled at prevarication and doublespeak but in every other way are total ignoramuses

An actual clown-car story out of Toronto:

http://www.cp24.com/news/doo-doo-the-clown-commended-for-saving-two-women-from-petrifying-attack-1.2671094

“I had a carload of clowns and I was driving one of them back to Union Station and as we turned the corner, I saw this man jumping on cars. He was wearing just shorts, no shoes, no socks and a shirt,” Doo Doo said.

lol @ Christie:

QUESTION: Governor, you were in New Jersey in 2001 right after the September 11th terrorist attacks. Do you recall ever seeing – were there ever instances in Jersey City of thousands of people cheering?

CHRISTIE: I don’t recall that. I don’t. I mean, listen, I can’t say, Matt, I can’t say that I have – it was a pretty emotional time for me because, as I’ve mentioned before, there’s family involved, there’s friends involved and so it was a pretty harrowing time. I do not remember that. And so, it’s not something that was part of my recollection. I think if it had happened, I would remember it. But, you know, there could be things I forget, too. I don’t remember that. No.

these guys are so "take-charge RAH RAH RAH no compromise ever!" unless they have to contradict Donald Trump, then they're a bunch of obsequious quislings

crying at

It’s this book about Churchill. It’s really long.

“It’s this book about Churchill. It’s really long.” Doo Doo said.

The really scary thing about this whole thing is that somehow all nuts turn to Ted Cruz he ends up becoming the nominee, something legalese or world events would pretty much invalidate Clinton and somehow he ends up President. That's a guy that I think gets ahold of that kind of power could be f'ing scary.

@RealJamesWoods
.@SenTedCruz and I just spoke for 40 minutes by phone about our love of this country. This man is the real deal. I'm all in! #TedCruz #tcot

Vice-President James Woods for starters...

a bunch of obsequious quislings

tbf rubio hasn't reached this chapter yet.

lol burn

http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/blogs/sanders_killer_mike_.jpg?itok=pgLLLBQO

Taken only seconds before Donald Trump burst through the door and saved his fellow presidential candidate from imminent death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kywpo-XmFYg

just left the Bernie rally at the Fox feat. Killer Mike :D

damn killer mike is the best

wow

"bernie sanders introduced by 'killer'" --the right-wing internet

but srsly though bernie/mike 2016

Run The Country

is the bernie/killer mike img meme a t-shirt / coffee mug option yet? please don't make me duckduckgo it by myself here folks

I know it plays to some of my weak tea progressiveness, that KM's intro is all about the right to healthcare and free college, not specifically about addressing institutionalized and culturally entrenched racism and bigotry, but those ARE my bias - I don't think we can teach other people not to be enema bags, I think we have to sponsor opportunity everywhere equally and then strive to make it actually equal where we can - but he did do a great job summarizing my Bern Feels.

Something that's perhaps more important is that while I'm trying to write down how hey ha, Killer Mike introducing Bernie Sanders is a funny juxtaposition, I had to stop, because I'm a slow moron, and it's not, at all.

unlike Lupe Fiasco, Killer Mike is old enough to serve as veep

Haven't been as alarmed by Trump as others (primarily because he isn't religious in his professional life), but the predicted steps here make a scary amount of sense:

http://theweek.com/articles/590497/donald-trumps-alarming-skid-toward-outright-fascism

is it really "alarming"

more like predictable

The shooting in Minneapolis is a new step forward. Not inevitable, not predictable, any more than us predictably going to war with Russia.

? what does that have to do with Trump/the election