My concerns with this film, as such, have everything to do with Spike Lee, whose hit to miss ratio is vast and epic. Had he made a documentary I'd be as excited as anything. But another Spike Lee Joint? Nah, seems smug and pointless. The last thing Chicago needs is less truth and more Truth. This city is so messed up and going through so many horrible things right now that metaphors and reimaginings do nobody any favors.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 November 2015 18:13 (eight years ago) link
hasn't it actually been a rw buzz-topic longer, like since a certain black chicago community worker became president?
― I don't have the time or energy to make a counterargument (stevie), Thursday, 26 November 2015 17:44 (54 minutes ago) Permalink
No. Back then chicago's rep was more about shadiness and corruption, cf the obsession over tony rezko, or his supposed political radicalism, via Jeremiah wright and Bill Ayers. Look I watched this stuff happen firsthand, the handwringing over Chicago violence came hand in hand w the spotlight drawn by the music, ppl forget that by summer 2012 fucking gwenyth Paltrow was telling interviewers she was listening to drill music
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 26 November 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link
Like obviously the facts themselves predate it--the interrupters came out in 2011--but that wasnt getting the same national attention. 2012-2013-2014 there were multiple documentaries, big prime time news specials, the media spotlight was extra heavy to the point that Obama brought up Chicago violence in his reelection speech-- and all of them referenced the music, this isn't a reach
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 26 November 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/nov/26/spike-lee-female-students-should-go-on-sex-strike-to-combat-campus?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Close+up+new+-+2+edittable+regions&utm_term=140004&subid=40319&CMP=ema_1046
Spike Lee: female students should go on sex strike to combat campus rape/
i dont know what tone he said this in, but im not as optimistic as spike about this idea.
― StillAdvance, Friday, 27 November 2015 10:52 (eight years ago) link
Colbert cited statistics that showed that since 2001 more Americans had died in Chicago than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.
can this really be true?
― StillAdvance, Friday, 27 November 2015 12:21 (eight years ago) link
easily
― balls, Friday, 27 November 2015 17:52 (eight years ago) link
lot more americans in chicago than iraq or afghanistan, obviously
― k3vin k., Friday, 27 November 2015 18:00 (eight years ago) link
Also is that people dying from violence or just deaths in general?
― Rich Homie Quan Poor Homie Quan (m bison), Friday, 27 November 2015 18:18 (eight years ago) link
homicide in chicago:
2001: 667[48]2002: 656[48]2003: 601[48]2004: 453[48]2005: 451[48]2006: 471[48]2007: 448[48]2008: 513[48]2009: 459[48]2010: 436[48]2011: 435[48]2012: 516[49]2013: 441[18]2014: 432[18]
― scott seward, Friday, 27 November 2015 18:25 (eight years ago) link
certainly nowhere near the amount of people FROM iraq and afghanistan who have been murdered. but we don't count them here.
― scott seward, Friday, 27 November 2015 18:26 (eight years ago) link
just your typical wednesday...
Wednesday 25 November: 81 killedMosul: 28 children killed in French air strike; 11 executed. Badush: 25 executed. Baghdad: 11 by IEDs, gunfire; 2 bodies. Madain: 4 by car bomb.
― scott seward, Friday, 27 November 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link
Murder rates have gone down in Chicago over the past 2 decades but it's misleading in two ways: first that the projects were knocked down and people moved often to the inner ring suburbs; then a police policy of containment meant that while the rates decreased in most Chicago neighborhoods in many neighborhoods they actually increased dramatically. The inequality of violence as they call it increased dramatically so some neighborhoods are worse than they've ever been
Not sure that this context is explained in the film, but it's important regardless
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 27 November 2015 18:35 (eight years ago) link
the figures colbert used for chicago were military deaths, IIRC
― StillAdvance, Monday, 30 November 2015 10:49 (eight years ago) link
was a little amused to see during the trailers before creed that spike's cousin has a movie about chicago violence coming out also.
― balls, Monday, 30 November 2015 18:58 (eight years ago) link
Barbershop 3?
― welltris (crüt), Monday, 30 November 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link
yup
― balls, Monday, 30 November 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link
Seen a lot of reviews and reactions to this one that run along the lines of "even bad Spike Lee is better than no Spike Lee," which seem to hinge on the assumption that Lee has been out of commission since "Inside Man" and not constantly churning out movies that few saw or liked. The guy has massive personality and talent, and has made a handful of my favorite films or documentaries, but like my Prince comparison upthread, it unfortunately comes down to problems of quantity and quality control.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 December 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link
Red Hook Summer and Da Sweet Blood of Jesus both had their fans; I didn't see either, and most of you probably didn't either.
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 December 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link
Exactly. And did anyone like Oldboy or ... whatever that WWII movie was?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 December 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link
Oldboy was terrible. Hope he made some good cash doing it though.
― scott seward, Thursday, 3 December 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link
Da Sweet Blood of Jesus was surprisingly good, and seems to be quite similar to Chi-raq, actually. Looking forward to seeing that one.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link
i would totally watch red hook summer. don't think i need to see the martha's vineyard vampire movie. too many cocktail parties on the vineyard will make you make a movie like that. of that i'm sure.
― scott seward, Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:12 (eight years ago) link
man, how great was summer of sam? i need to watch that again. that is so my kinda movie. he has made some great stuff.
― scott seward, Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link
i would like to see this someday:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucker_Free_City
i think it would be cool if he had a big ambitious t.v. show a la the wire to produce/direct.
― scott seward, Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
Oldboy really was terrible. Miracle at St. Anna wasn't any sort of great film, but it was at least worth the consideration.
― thread of getting sw0le and lena jokes (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link
Looked a bit boilerplate, iirc.
Summer of Sam ... I should revisit that. One of those movies, like Bringing Out the Dead, that should have been great but for some reason just didn't work for me at the time.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link
summer of sam is a brilliant terrible movie. i mean parts of it are such garbage and parts of it are such magic and they build to a whole that is giddy and electrifying and exasperating and nonsense. i love it.
― I don't have the time or energy to make a counterargument (stevie), Friday, 4 December 2015 12:37 (eight years ago) link
exactly, no one saw those movies so they're probably bad
― thwomp (thomp), Friday, 4 December 2015 13:55 (eight years ago) link
Oldboy was terrible. Hope he made some good cash doing it though.― scott seward, Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:58 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― scott seward, Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:58 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lee might have gotten a decent salary, but that movie made... no money at all. so nobody is getting points.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 4 December 2015 15:21 (eight years ago) link
summer of sam is a brilliant terrible movie. i mean parts of it are such garbage and parts of it are such magic and they build to a whole that is giddy and electrifying and exasperating and nonsense.
Sounds like Lee in a nutshell. Even Malcolm X fits this description.
― my harp and me (Eazy), Friday, 4 December 2015 15:23 (eight years ago) link
I liked the baba o'reily montage.
― Jeff, Friday, 4 December 2015 15:26 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/chancetherapper/status/672855914727260161https://twitter.com/chancetherapper/status/672856445830995968https://twitter.com/chancetherapper/status/672857134137233408https://twitter.com/chancetherapper/status/672857511268102148https://twitter.com/chancetherapper/status/672867640742948864
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 4 December 2015 22:00 (eight years ago) link
http://www.thestranger.com/film/feature/2015/12/02/23212222/fuck-you-spike-lee
― scott seward, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:06 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVaemKOUEAA445E.jpg:large
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 4 December 2015 22:09 (eight years ago) link
As I walked out of Chi-Raq and was asked for my first impression, I started with my usual response, "It was... interesting." But then I stopped and added, "And it was bad." Then I nodded my head a little more confidently, "Yes, it was very bad."
haha this is very relatable in terms of bad movies in general
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 4 December 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link
it's exploitative and problematic
― k3vin k., Friday, 4 December 2015 22:13 (eight years ago) link
The "um, it's based on Lysistrata you morons"-splaining leveled at any criticism is getting sort of icky.
― thread of getting sw0le and lena jokes (Eric H.), Friday, 4 December 2015 22:18 (eight years ago) link
can't believe spike lee, via the release of this movie, literally is suggesting that women abstaining from sex will solve chicago's violence problems
― k3vin k., Friday, 4 December 2015 22:31 (eight years ago) link
3. When Spike Lee does do satire, he defines satire right at the front of the movie, so everybody knows it's satire.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:34 (eight years ago) link
sometimes i kinda wish tarantino and spike would make a movie together and get every cartoony stereotypical archetype out of their system. just an explosion of screaming baptist preachers and nazis and pimps.
― scott seward, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:36 (eight years ago) link
make it happen, Samuel Jackson
― Οὖτις, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:38 (eight years ago) link
(all roles played by Samuel Jackson, obviously)
that Stranger article is p. weird imo
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 4 December 2015 22:42 (eight years ago) link
man this is getting a theatrical release? i thought i was gonna be able to steam it today
― thwomp (thomp), Friday, 4 December 2015 23:37 (eight years ago) link
i would love to catch this in a theater but i'd be shocked if it happens
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 4 December 2015 23:42 (eight years ago) link
If anything I sort of think Spike played his vampire card a movie early. I bet this subject would have made a good horror movie metaphor.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 December 2015 23:45 (eight years ago) link
Just saw this in the theater. Crowd really into it.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Saturday, 5 December 2015 00:17 (eight years ago) link
very good reviews so far, i'll wait for amazon
― balls, Saturday, 5 December 2015 00:27 (eight years ago) link
Box office returns; I'll watch the trailer.
― thread of getting sw0le and lena jokes (Eric H.), Saturday, 5 December 2015 06:40 (eight years ago) link
http://m.chicagoreader.com/chicago/spike-lee-chi-raq-rahm-emanuel-will-burns/Content?oid=20202638
― my harp and me (Eazy), Saturday, 5 December 2015 07:09 (eight years ago) link