homicide in chicago:
2001: 667[48]2002: 656[48]2003: 601[48]2004: 453[48]2005: 451[48]2006: 471[48]2007: 448[48]2008: 513[48]2009: 459[48]2010: 436[48]2011: 435[48]2012: 516[49]2013: 441[18]2014: 432[18]
― scott seward, Friday, 27 November 2015 18:25 (eight years ago) link
certainly nowhere near the amount of people FROM iraq and afghanistan who have been murdered. but we don't count them here.
― scott seward, Friday, 27 November 2015 18:26 (eight years ago) link
just your typical wednesday...
Wednesday 25 November: 81 killedMosul: 28 children killed in French air strike; 11 executed. Badush: 25 executed. Baghdad: 11 by IEDs, gunfire; 2 bodies. Madain: 4 by car bomb.
― scott seward, Friday, 27 November 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link
Murder rates have gone down in Chicago over the past 2 decades but it's misleading in two ways: first that the projects were knocked down and people moved often to the inner ring suburbs; then a police policy of containment meant that while the rates decreased in most Chicago neighborhoods in many neighborhoods they actually increased dramatically. The inequality of violence as they call it increased dramatically so some neighborhoods are worse than they've ever been
Not sure that this context is explained in the film, but it's important regardless
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 27 November 2015 18:35 (eight years ago) link
the figures colbert used for chicago were military deaths, IIRC
― StillAdvance, Monday, 30 November 2015 10:49 (eight years ago) link
was a little amused to see during the trailers before creed that spike's cousin has a movie about chicago violence coming out also.
― balls, Monday, 30 November 2015 18:58 (eight years ago) link
Barbershop 3?
― welltris (crüt), Monday, 30 November 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link
yup
― balls, Monday, 30 November 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link
Seen a lot of reviews and reactions to this one that run along the lines of "even bad Spike Lee is better than no Spike Lee," which seem to hinge on the assumption that Lee has been out of commission since "Inside Man" and not constantly churning out movies that few saw or liked. The guy has massive personality and talent, and has made a handful of my favorite films or documentaries, but like my Prince comparison upthread, it unfortunately comes down to problems of quantity and quality control.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 December 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link
Red Hook Summer and Da Sweet Blood of Jesus both had their fans; I didn't see either, and most of you probably didn't either.
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 December 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link
Exactly. And did anyone like Oldboy or ... whatever that WWII movie was?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 December 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link
Oldboy was terrible. Hope he made some good cash doing it though.
― scott seward, Thursday, 3 December 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link
Da Sweet Blood of Jesus was surprisingly good, and seems to be quite similar to Chi-raq, actually. Looking forward to seeing that one.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link
i would totally watch red hook summer. don't think i need to see the martha's vineyard vampire movie. too many cocktail parties on the vineyard will make you make a movie like that. of that i'm sure.
― scott seward, Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:12 (eight years ago) link
man, how great was summer of sam? i need to watch that again. that is so my kinda movie. he has made some great stuff.
― scott seward, Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link
i would like to see this someday:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucker_Free_City
i think it would be cool if he had a big ambitious t.v. show a la the wire to produce/direct.
― scott seward, Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link
Oldboy really was terrible. Miracle at St. Anna wasn't any sort of great film, but it was at least worth the consideration.
― thread of getting sw0le and lena jokes (Eric H.), Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link
Looked a bit boilerplate, iirc.
Summer of Sam ... I should revisit that. One of those movies, like Bringing Out the Dead, that should have been great but for some reason just didn't work for me at the time.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 3 December 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link
summer of sam is a brilliant terrible movie. i mean parts of it are such garbage and parts of it are such magic and they build to a whole that is giddy and electrifying and exasperating and nonsense. i love it.
― I don't have the time or energy to make a counterargument (stevie), Friday, 4 December 2015 12:37 (eight years ago) link
exactly, no one saw those movies so they're probably bad
― thwomp (thomp), Friday, 4 December 2015 13:55 (eight years ago) link
Oldboy was terrible. Hope he made some good cash doing it though.― scott seward, Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:58 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― scott seward, Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:58 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lee might have gotten a decent salary, but that movie made... no money at all. so nobody is getting points.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 4 December 2015 15:21 (eight years ago) link
summer of sam is a brilliant terrible movie. i mean parts of it are such garbage and parts of it are such magic and they build to a whole that is giddy and electrifying and exasperating and nonsense.
Sounds like Lee in a nutshell. Even Malcolm X fits this description.
― my harp and me (Eazy), Friday, 4 December 2015 15:23 (eight years ago) link
I liked the baba o'reily montage.
― Jeff, Friday, 4 December 2015 15:26 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/chancetherapper/status/672855914727260161https://twitter.com/chancetherapper/status/672856445830995968https://twitter.com/chancetherapper/status/672857134137233408https://twitter.com/chancetherapper/status/672857511268102148https://twitter.com/chancetherapper/status/672867640742948864
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 4 December 2015 22:00 (eight years ago) link
http://www.thestranger.com/film/feature/2015/12/02/23212222/fuck-you-spike-lee
― scott seward, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:06 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVaemKOUEAA445E.jpg:large
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 4 December 2015 22:09 (eight years ago) link
As I walked out of Chi-Raq and was asked for my first impression, I started with my usual response, "It was... interesting." But then I stopped and added, "And it was bad." Then I nodded my head a little more confidently, "Yes, it was very bad."
haha this is very relatable in terms of bad movies in general
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 4 December 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link
it's exploitative and problematic
― k3vin k., Friday, 4 December 2015 22:13 (eight years ago) link
The "um, it's based on Lysistrata you morons"-splaining leveled at any criticism is getting sort of icky.
― thread of getting sw0le and lena jokes (Eric H.), Friday, 4 December 2015 22:18 (eight years ago) link
can't believe spike lee, via the release of this movie, literally is suggesting that women abstaining from sex will solve chicago's violence problems
― k3vin k., Friday, 4 December 2015 22:31 (eight years ago) link
3. When Spike Lee does do satire, he defines satire right at the front of the movie, so everybody knows it's satire.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:34 (eight years ago) link
sometimes i kinda wish tarantino and spike would make a movie together and get every cartoony stereotypical archetype out of their system. just an explosion of screaming baptist preachers and nazis and pimps.
― scott seward, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:36 (eight years ago) link
make it happen, Samuel Jackson
― Οὖτις, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:38 (eight years ago) link
(all roles played by Samuel Jackson, obviously)
that Stranger article is p. weird imo
― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 4 December 2015 22:42 (eight years ago) link
man this is getting a theatrical release? i thought i was gonna be able to steam it today
― thwomp (thomp), Friday, 4 December 2015 23:37 (eight years ago) link
i would love to catch this in a theater but i'd be shocked if it happens
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 4 December 2015 23:42 (eight years ago) link
If anything I sort of think Spike played his vampire card a movie early. I bet this subject would have made a good horror movie metaphor.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 December 2015 23:45 (eight years ago) link
Just saw this in the theater. Crowd really into it.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Saturday, 5 December 2015 00:17 (eight years ago) link
very good reviews so far, i'll wait for amazon
― balls, Saturday, 5 December 2015 00:27 (eight years ago) link
Box office returns; I'll watch the trailer.
― thread of getting sw0le and lena jokes (Eric H.), Saturday, 5 December 2015 06:40 (eight years ago) link
http://m.chicagoreader.com/chicago/spike-lee-chi-raq-rahm-emanuel-will-burns/Content?oid=20202638
― my harp and me (Eazy), Saturday, 5 December 2015 07:09 (eight years ago) link
has chance the rapper actually SEEN the film, before he makes sweeping statements about it. it does seem really over protective to be like 'oh if youre not FROM here, you have no right to make a film/talk about this'. the film might be exploitative and ignorant about the dynamics of the city, idk, but if every film in a particular setting had to be made by people from that place, not sure how many films there would be.
― StillAdvance, Saturday, 5 December 2015 11:20 (eight years ago) link
I'm assuming he did see it ? As he waited until after it was out to tweet about it
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 5 December 2015 11:37 (eight years ago) link
I'm not getting the impression that black people in Chicago have a problem with Spike not being a Chicago native. Rather that he, habitual maker of movies that approach black urban life with pathos nuance chose to make this movie.
Of course Spike Lee can do whatever he wants but if the satire isn't smart then it's farce, and if that was his intent from the jump then calling it Chi-raq was lazy and dumb.
― tsrobodo, Saturday, 5 December 2015 12:26 (eight years ago) link
Isn't Chiraq the name of a character in the film?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 December 2015 16:53 (eight years ago) link
Stage name of the rapper played by Cannon.
― tsrobodo, Saturday, 5 December 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link
Most detailed description I've come across; wouldn't mind seeing it, without great expectations:http://www.npr.org/2015/12/04/458442385/spike-lee-pits-sex-against-guns-in-a-powerful-message-movie
― dow, Saturday, 5 December 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link
It's a shambles and it doesn't all work but I'm a fan. Slow Jam dance might be one of my favourite musical moments in recent years (not a lot to choose from, granted).
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Saturday, 5 December 2015 21:30 (eight years ago) link
http://www.chicagomag.com/arts-culture/December-2015/Chi-Raq-is-a-Wasted-Opportunity/
― Jeff, Sunday, 6 December 2015 02:02 (eight years ago) link