Buttload of Faith: the 2016 Presidential Primary Thread (Pt 2)

No, I read that more as "They already think we're crazy, this guy isn't helping."

restraint probably kept him from going full-on christian blowback victimization

You're probably right.

I think of that line by Lincoln's longtime law partner: the ceaseless tick-tock of Lincoln's ambition. To enjoy power isn't itself corrupting. FDR enjoyed power too, used it well and not so well (used it less well than Lincoln but was in office longer).

after every jihadi attack there are reprisals against muslims

i doubt the same thing happens to pro-lifers but i'll keep my eyes open

You're right, Austin, but he just can't help position himself as also being at least a kind of victim in this. it's absolutely pathological.

it's p clear what huckabee means tho

i suppose the closest thing to a left wing shooting we've had in a while is the Family Research Council shooting, which the shooter said he got off a list from the SPLC

GOP considers Islamists leftists afaict

Like, "They already think we're crazy. Now they think we're shoot up the place crazy. Woe is us."

I can see that.

And yeah, it's uncomfortable. But at least it's in line with the usual batshit Huckabee rhetoric.

GOP considers Islamists leftists afaict

Actual LOL.

i think huck means "abortion is murder, murder is murder, murder is bad"

"except for kids murdering dogs, that's cool"

it's v true jihadists couldn't be 'further' from 'the right' #freedom

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Huckabee is saying domestic terrorism is especially abominable to those with the ethical purity and resolve to be 'pro-lifers' afaict.

or just especially abominable because the ironic lol of "pro-life" ppl murdering is clear even to huckabee

Wait, these guys are still running?

who the fuck even knows

Well it took great bravery to say in public that murdering people is v bad.

'There is no excuse for killing other people whether it's happening inside the Planned Parenthood headquarters, inside their clinics where millions of babies die, or whether it's people attacking Planned Parenthood,' he said during an interview on CNN.
'I don't know of anybody who has suggested violence toward Planned Parenthood personnel or some act of violence towards their clinics. I've not heard that, not from one single pro-life person.'

Not a single pro-life person ever personally warned Huckabee that he was about to go murder anyone at PP.

"yo Huck, just a heads-up..."

Definitely pro-life persons pretty narrowly isn't he.

“After all these years and millions of babies that have gone to their death, violence is to be anticipated,” said Judie Brown, president of American Life League, in a phone interview with MSNBC. “Because it’s acceptable to violently kill a baby, so why isn’t it acceptable to violently kill other people?”

“We never approve of violence against anybody, whether it’s the unborn babies or the clients of Planned Parenthood or anybody else,” Ann Scheidler, vice president of the Pro-Life Action League, told MSNBC. But, she added, “it’s not the fault of the pro-life movement that someone found out that Planned Parenthood is doing these things. It’s the fault of Planned Parenthood for selling the baby parts.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/abortion-opponents-defense-colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting

"we live in a world of moral relativism where the original sin is abortion" is part of the story i hadn't heard before

Oh man, this thread is a goldmine for laughs today.

buttload of laughs

"we live in a world of moral relativism where the original sin is abortion" is part of the story i hadn't heard before

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i've heard this a lot, actually. from protestant pro-life folks, but more credibly from catholics who champion the "consistent life ethic"— in their view things like abortion, the death penalty, and a variety of things those of us on this board are likely to detest (poverty, war) are all part of the cheapening of human life.

anyway here's an attempt to parse the meaning of the trump phenomenon: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/birthers-trumpists-and-a-crisis-for-the-gop/2015/09/04/3b3e2074-5308-11e5-8c19-0b6825aa4a3a_story.html

it's easy to forgot btw that the tribalism of american politics have meant that the pro-life position is associated with the right but it wasn't always thus. until the 1970s abortion wasn't really a partisan issue. anyway.

i mean it was an "issue," but those opposed to legal abortion were distributed among the major parties, as were those in favor.

From that WaPo opinion article by the "Harvard political theorist" linked just above:

If the Republicans can hang on to the convictions that make them the party of Lincoln, we ought to see the party split. For the good of the country, we should hope for it.

So not going to happen.

...what we’re confronting truly is the rise of a new party. Provided, that is, the Republicans don’t sell their souls.

That sale is all but final.

ha, I had a Catholic friend whose priest would basically come out and say, "no Catholic can ever be a Democrat" and "JFK would have been a Republican" re: abortion

uh they stopped being the party of Lincoln in 1876.

tbf if any new party emerged and called itself the whigs i'd probably join

http://gfx2.aftonbladet-cdn.se/image/14477494/485/normal/e987d71475bb7/AFGHAN-WHIGSbred.jpg

In more mundane news, specifics on Clinton infrastructure spending proposals and Sanders...

Hillary Clinton is calling for a $275 billion boost in federal infrastructure spending over five years and the creation of an infrastructure bank, arguing that the measures will help create jobs while modernizing the nation’s ailing roads and bridges…The Democratic presidential front-runner plans to spend the next month laying out what her campaign is calling her “jobs agenda,” including ideas for upping federal support for research and manufacturing.

That $275 billion falls well short of the $1 trillion in infrastructure spending that Bernie Sanders wants, another sign Clinton is not embracing the robust economic agenda favored by the Sanders/Warren wing of the party. Oh, and seven in 10 Americans back this sort of spending.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/11/30/morning-plum-yes-donald-trumps-demagoguery-just-got-even-uglier/

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-11-29/hillary-clinton-calls-for-275-billion-in-federal-infrastructure-spending

https://mobile.twitter.com/Timodc/status/671733195960905728

just in time for interest rates to go up .. xp

whut

um, that's the real JEB! communications director twitter acct?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b2KyVmmVYw

"convicted felons tend to vote Democrat" is a thing Ted Cruz said

His shithead admirers would find nothing wrong with that statement. It plays up perfectly to their bigoted view of the world: violent criminals are overwhelmingly black and blacks are overwhelmingly democratic. QED.

well aside from that, convicted felons can't vote

depends on the state

maybe he had Sheldon Silver on the brain

the guy on the right is the real life version of Fred from Scooby Doo

she's done it again

“I have stood for a lot of regulation on big banks and on the financial services sector. I also represented New York and represented everybody from the dairy farmers to the fishermen...And so, yes, do I know people? And did I help rebuild after 9/11? Yes, I did,” Clinton said.

http://gawker.com/hillary-clinton-again-invokes-9-11-to-explain-her-wall-1745514917

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c9/Charging_Bull_statue.jpg

that's not a milk cow