in an otherwise decent look at the cruz vs rubio thing, this was weird:
With help from an allied group that is airing television ads in Iowa, Mr. Rubio is seeking to raise doubts on the right about Mr. Cruz’s toughness on national security — a potentially fatal vulnerability, should Mr. Rubio succeed, amid heightened concerns about terrorism. More quietly, he is trying to muddy the perception that Mr. Cruz is a hard-liner on immigration, asserting that Mr. Cruz supports “legalizing people that are in this country illegally.”Their stances on core policy issues are actually quite similar: Each toes the conservative line on taxes, abortion and guns. But they are making the most of where they diverge: Mr. Rubio’s more moderate posture on immigration, and Mr. Cruz’s effort to chart a middle course on national security between hawks like Mr. Rubio and more libertarian-minded Republicans like Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky.
Their stances on core policy issues are actually quite similar: Each toes the conservative line on taxes, abortion and guns. But they are making the most of where they diverge: Mr. Rubio’s more moderate posture on immigration, and Mr. Cruz’s effort to chart a middle course on national security between hawks like Mr. Rubio and more libertarian-minded Republicans like Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 7 December 2015 00:55 (eight years ago) link
sorry, meant to put the
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between those paragraphs
I don't know if anybody posted this already--just caught up with it this morning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYlIU5R88eY
Awkward. Supposedly the first time this has come up, probably not the last.
― clemenza, Monday, 7 December 2015 00:59 (eight years ago) link
Her answer was smooth enough that she was obviously prepared for the possibility.
― clemenza, Monday, 7 December 2015 01:00 (eight years ago) link
She's had years of rehearsal, remember.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 December 2015 01:03 (eight years ago) link
Yeah...I guess she got the same question running for the Senate and in '08--it's just the first instance I've seen of it.
― clemenza, Monday, 7 December 2015 01:16 (eight years ago) link
what was that? video down.
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 7 December 2015 16:10 (eight years ago) link
i saw a Ben Carson voter irl. out where my folks live in suburban/rural GA the next door neighbor has a bunch of his signs in her front lawn, alongside signs that say REVIVE and INSPIRE. of course she is a heavily medicated evangelist known for standing in the middle of the road (like on the yellow line) in her pajamas just in the middle of the day.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 7 December 2015 17:32 (eight years ago) link
cruz out in front in iowa, according to latest monmouth poll
cruz: 24trump: 19rubio: 17fartson: 13
― Karl Malone, Monday, 7 December 2015 17:55 (eight years ago) link
wow
― goole, Monday, 7 December 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link
I would totally lik emore insight into what parts of the country those on the right think are a huge mess, or any more of a mess than they usually are. I understand worries over terrorism, ok, gotcha. The economy is pretty much back though; are there vast swaths of the country where it isn't? I'd like to know. I know that there are likely many who have just dropped out of the job hunt entirely. Maybe they're talking about that. Are people's taxes higher than they used to be? Mine are but only because I make twice as much money as I used to. Healthcare is still rightly fucked for lots of people even with obamacare...what else?
― akm, Monday, 7 December 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link
The economy is pretty much back though; are there vast swaths of the country where it isn't?
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/10/Wage_stagnation.png
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/09/for-most-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/
― Karl Malone, Monday, 7 December 2015 18:04 (eight years ago) link
When they say the country's a huge mess I think they're really talking code for "Bruce Jenner turned into Caitlyn Jenner and I was forced to hear about it".
― Aimless, Monday, 7 December 2015 18:11 (eight years ago) link
divide and conquer
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 7 December 2015 18:13 (eight years ago) link
my economy is not fucking back, and never will be.
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 December 2015 18:15 (eight years ago) link
mine never went away
― you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Monday, 7 December 2015 18:17 (eight years ago) link
the economy in certain sectors is fucked and those jobs are not coming back, true. I don't know what morbs does for a living.
― akm, Monday, 7 December 2015 18:18 (eight years ago) link
but that also has little to nothing to do with whose in office, often, IMO.
― akm, Monday, 7 December 2015 18:19 (eight years ago) link
who is in office. we need an edit feature
We've got a Carson supporter on our street, a sign in the yard that says, "Run! Ben! Run!"
― pplains, Monday, 7 December 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link
and dont' stop til yer in Mexico
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, 7 December 2015 18:27 (eight years ago) link
oh no. xp
― welltris (crüt), Monday, 7 December 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link
"When they say the country's a huge mess I think they're really talking code for "Bruce Jenner turned into Caitlyn Jenner and I was forced to hear about it"."
^pretty much this 94/7. oh, and blackety-black black black president with his black feet on the Oval Office desk.
― big fat rascal (will), Monday, 7 December 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
dumbth
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-muslim-sports-heroes-144634620.html
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 December 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link
guys - www.jebbush.com
― balls, Monday, 7 December 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link
lol
― phở intellectual (WilliamC), Monday, 7 December 2015 20:04 (eight years ago) link
― goole, Monday, 7 December 2015 20:04 (eight years ago) link
― welltris (crüt), Monday, 7 December 2015 20:09 (eight years ago) link
if/when rubio doesn't win iowa or new hampshire or south carolina is he then officially 'in trouble' or is he still the 'well eventually it'll be him right? right?' plausible default?
i just looked into it and since the inception of iowa-new hampshire-south carolina sequence (which is admittedly not that long, iowa is 76 and south carolina is 80 for gop and 88 for dems) nobody has won the nomination for either party w/o winning one of those three.
― balls, Monday, 7 December 2015 20:10 (eight years ago) link
xposts Wow @ jebbush.com. Trump and Jeb! should be a sitcom.
― The Featureless Mash That Was Once My Face (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 December 2015 20:14 (eight years ago) link
trump is bronson pinchot of coursehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vbnLYROCj8
― Eugene Goostman (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 December 2015 20:16 (eight years ago) link
I feel like Bush should a) shut down his campaign and b) commit ritual suicide. It's just pathetic at this point.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 7 December 2015 20:17 (eight years ago) link
how did he let that happen? that's amazing
― Karl Malone, Monday, 7 December 2015 20:18 (eight years ago) link
jeb is obviously the cozzin larry in that relationship
― j., Monday, 7 December 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link
i mean it's still early but it's probably unlikely rubio wins iowa. and i can't see south carolina saving him nor for that matter the sec primary and if he hasn't been competitive w/ delegates by that point it probably too late for him. he's polling ok in new hampshire, second to trump but only barely ahead of cruz (12% vs 10.8%), and that's w/ him barely having visited new hampshire.
― balls, Monday, 7 December 2015 20:23 (eight years ago) link
apparently a ton of jebbush sites have been parked on for years. jeb didn't want to pony up the $250k they were asking (apparently they'd had it since 1997!), and trump being the master negotiator was able to get them down to $250k.
― balls, Monday, 7 December 2015 20:25 (eight years ago) link
I have previously asserted that Jeb! doesn't really actually want to be running for president (it's a legacy thing...if his dad and brother had previously run a family-owned paint shop, he'd give it a go as well) and, as supported by evidence such as his hijacked website, I will continue to stand behind this assertion.
― The Featureless Mash That Was Once My Face (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 December 2015 20:26 (eight years ago) link
it's never been his website, tho
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 December 2015 20:29 (eight years ago) link
Apparently some FOX dude called Obama a pussy on air lol
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 December 2015 20:39 (eight years ago) link
GOP has to boil down to rubio and cruz, right? I think it'll go all the way through the primaries though. it'll be hysterical to see if trump gets a majority of delegates but they still refuse to nominate him.
― akm, Monday, 7 December 2015 20:47 (eight years ago) link
I can't imagine Trump winning Iowa tbh (NH seems more likely)... but what Trump looks like after a defeat is hard to gauge
― Οὖτις, Monday, 7 December 2015 20:51 (eight years ago) link
It's gonna have to be Rubio, ultimately. He's the only one that doesn't come off as profoundly stupid/a hapless nebbish/viscerally horrifying.
― The Featureless Mash That Was Once My Face (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 December 2015 20:52 (eight years ago) link
plenty of ways to get delegates that aren't related to primary/caucus votes
i am doubtful DT gets anywhere near 50% in any single primary
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 December 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link
all of which I can't really imagine Trump succeeding at - dude's a populist not an apparatchik, so he either wins primaries/caucuses or its over
― Οὖτις, Monday, 7 December 2015 20:54 (eight years ago) link
yeah i wasn't arguing that was a way for the Howling Rug to sneak in
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 December 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link
rubio comes off plenty hapless to me
― balls, Monday, 7 December 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link
if anyone's gonna exploit non-primary/caucus delegate commitments it's gonna be Cruz
― Οὖτις, Monday, 7 December 2015 20:57 (eight years ago) link
if a state's Repubs does give Big T 50% or more, i think it should be called "buying the pink rug"
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 December 2015 20:57 (eight years ago) link
nh went for buchanan twice so i can totally see trump taking it. evangelicals a bigger factor in iowa (ask jimmy carter) which is probably one reason cruz has been able to pick up the carson voters.
― balls, Monday, 7 December 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link
trump doesn't have to take 50% of contested delegates fwiw though i do think if he doesn't have the majority and there's someone near him (esp if it's rubio) the superdelegates will throw it to someone/anyone else. good lord imagine the fallout and the carnage.
― balls, Monday, 7 December 2015 21:01 (eight years ago) link