remember when that protestor got beat up outside of trump towers or whatever
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Saturday, 12 December 2015 01:27 (eight years ago) link
it's sad but trump looks like he was born to give a speech in front of the stars and bars
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Saturday, 12 December 2015 01:29 (eight years ago) link
i like how trump is going to get our country back to work as if anyone would want to work for the douchebag. except for his famous reality tv show where everyone did everything they could to get hired by him
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Saturday, 12 December 2015 01:34 (eight years ago) link
ted cruz is basically an apprentice contestant
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Saturday, 12 December 2015 01:36 (eight years ago) link
Unretouched photo of Ivanka Trump (courtesy of Daily Mail):http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/15/03/27945EBA00000578-0-Busy_woman_In_addition_to_running_a_division_of_the_Trump_Organi-a-110_1429063594130.jpg
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 12 December 2015 01:40 (eight years ago) link
nah man no way
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Saturday, 12 December 2015 01:41 (eight years ago) link
looking forward to yr critique of chelsea
― mookieproof, Saturday, 12 December 2015 01:44 (eight years ago) link
yeah can we not do this please?
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 12 December 2015 01:46 (eight years ago) link
― mookieproof
yeah just sign up for my tinyletter
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Saturday, 12 December 2015 01:47 (eight years ago) link
remember when iran having nuclear weapons was a big deal?
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Saturday, 12 December 2015 02:07 (eight years ago) link
Wait, what? Iran has nukes!? Sign me up for Trump! Obama, that pussy, I just new he would let those Muslims get missiles. Man, you take a couple of hours off the internet...
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 12 December 2015 02:41 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV-QSkyWoAEX9JZ.jpg
yikes - http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/12/12/georgia-poll-finds-wide-gop-support-for-donald-trump-and-his-muslim-ban/ - first poll in an sec primary state i've seen (admittedly i haven't been looking, if anyone wants to show me some recent others to reassure me this is an outlier plz do), yes yes it's early but still yikes yikes yikes.
― balls, Saturday, 12 December 2015 23:53 (eight years ago) link
i wonder if huckabee et al regret not going full fascist when they had the chance (in previous election cycles)--look at what kind of numbers they'd be picking up.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Sunday, 13 December 2015 00:18 (eight years ago) link
ehhh, they needed eight years of people seething about a black president to really get it worked up. plus the influence of that whole movement agitating regarding obama's birth certificate - that was pretty key. the GOP should try to find a guy who'd been loudly and stubbornly banging on about that since obama's first term - now there's somebody who could be a contender for this primary.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 13 December 2015 00:32 (eight years ago) link
I don't think other politicians could get away with donald trump's shtick. I think the machismo and refusal to apologize is probably a bigger aspect of his appeal than the anti-immigration stuff or anything else approximating a policy stance. like they love that he says-it-like-it-is but he probably could be saying-it-like-it-is on less nationalist issues and getting the same response. these people want a putin, and mike huckabee was never gonna be putin.
(also they have donors to answer to.)
― iatee, Sunday, 13 December 2015 00:43 (eight years ago) link
in b4 someone makes mike huckabee shirtless on horse joke
― iatee, Sunday, 13 December 2015 00:46 (eight years ago) link
a lot of the problem with reassurance is that we were all wrong about trump, we misunderestimated how far he would go, and as a result the natural response is to treat anybody who predicted his downfall- including, in some cases, ourselves- as inherently untrustworthy. if we were wrong about trump back in june, why should anybody believe us now?
and the answer is because we acknowledge our mistakes, we admit them, and we learn from them. saying trump cannot be president is not desperate hindbrain wishful thinking backed up by distortions of evidence, it's based on, well, basically everything. i don't even need to go over all the evidence against it, because you are well aware of the tremendous mountain of evidence against him. all anybody needs to do in order to be convinced that he can't be president is to choose to believe it.
that doesn't mean there aren't a tremendous number of things we don't know, that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of danger, uncertainty, and confusion, that doesn't mean that national and global fascism isn't a serious threat. we have a lot of things to worry about, and i'm not sure any of us are sure exactly about which things exactly those are, but we can say with a high degree of confidence that "donald trump might be president" is not one of those things.
― new zingland (rushomancy), Sunday, 13 December 2015 00:52 (eight years ago) link
one trap he's been setting for himself by being mr. #1 invincible look at these polls I'm a winner people love me...well, if he loses iowa and new hampshire, he's lost the whole campaign narrative. even losing iowa would probably be enough to turn on his sore loser side, which is so unpleasant that it might even turn off his own supporters.
― iatee, Sunday, 13 December 2015 01:01 (eight years ago) link
Other politicians get away w Trump's shtick all the time, it's not as if he has a lockdown on political assholery. The thought that he is a laughable fringe element and not symbolizing the rotten mainstream core of the modern GOP is comforting. The evidence is that he is doing well in polls, better than anyone else.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 13 December 2015 01:07 (eight years ago) link
re: Georgia - really really hard to say about it being an outlier poll or not since there's hardly any other data to compare it to. RCP only has eight georgia polls total for the cycle, going back to one with huckabee leading in may. the last couple they show were from november 11th and the period 10/15-10/26. out of their set, FWIW, the landmark polls have consistently shown a bigger margin for trump than the other ones. i don't doubt that he's winning but it's entirely possible that that walloping huge margin reflects a house effect or methodological choice. annoyingly, landmark provides the web with only a headline-grabbing Q1, nothing on method or any other questions (if there were any). would be interesting to know a "is there anybody you wouldn't vote for?" question for the same sample set.
a stat likely to be distorted: in this poll, african-americans broke more clearly for trump, with 56.1% support, than whites did, with 43.3% support. the catch: there were only 16 african americans in the sample of 800, because, well, georgia republican party.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 13 December 2015 01:27 (eight years ago) link
Other politicians get away w Trump's shtick all the time, it's not as if he has a lockdown on political assholery.
They get away with it but I question how much they're doing so in a way that's really appealing to people in the same way as Trump's kicking ass formula. I agree with iatee. And I was saying yesterday that I could see Carson sticking around because he's so outside the box. The rest of them are a bunch of insiders. Rubio and Cruz might have gotten some recent upticks, but we'll see how far that goes.
― timellison, Sunday, 13 December 2015 01:38 (eight years ago) link
xp lol
― sleeve, Sunday, 13 December 2015 01:38 (eight years ago) link
New poll with Cruz leading in Iowa:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/13/fox-news-poll-cruz-trump-ahead-in-iowa-clinton-holds-caucus-lead.html
Supposedly an "unprecedented" spike. I'm fine with Cruz winning the nomination. I dislike him the most by far, so good for staying engaged. And I don't think his chance of winning a general is significantly better than Trump's.
― clemenza, Sunday, 13 December 2015 15:07 (eight years ago) link
nothing wrong with that unretouched pic of Ivanka, she's very beautiful.
― akm, Sunday, 13 December 2015 16:58 (eight years ago) link
agreed also it seems wrong to mock her bc of dislike for her father. she's not responsible for his behavior.
― Mordy, Sunday, 13 December 2015 17:01 (eight years ago) link
the concept of a 'downfall' of an independently wealthy candidate when there's no voting going on is a curious one
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 13 December 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link
i am guilty of bringing up ivanka's looks but i wasn't trying to mock her. i believe my intention at the time was to express an aesthetic difference with donald trump re: him finding her so beautiful he would like to marry her. i thought the introduction of her father set the table very well for his opening speech and impeding campaign
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Monday, 14 December 2015 01:58 (eight years ago) link
Lol @ impeding
― Οὖτις, Monday, 14 December 2015 02:36 (eight years ago) link
this is funny to me, but i know it probably isn't to anyone else:
as a person that loves all things dark and evil; black metal, horror films, goth rock, etc. i really like newt gingrich and ted cruz. i like these guys because they just seem like untethered forces of pain and evil (i love evil things). not that i'd vote for them or anything, but hey, i like them, in an evil sense.
― x-post. shut up. (monster mash), Monday, 14 December 2015 14:09 (eight years ago) link
Some politicians seem "evil" in a sociopathic, power hungry, spiteful, venal sort of way. Cruz seems like someone who has jars full of little trophies that he casually cut off of his screaming victims while stroking their hair and gently shushing them.
― Some Pizza Grudge From Twenty Years Ago (Old Lunch), Monday, 14 December 2015 14:29 (eight years ago) link
not that i'd vote for them or anything, but hey, i like them, in an evil sense.
man there are far worse people within the GOP alone much less outside of politics that you could appreciate for their 'evil'
― Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, 14 December 2015 15:18 (eight years ago) link
weren't you the guy who said nathan for you was bad for your soul
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 14 December 2015 15:33 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/_FloridaMan/status/676432647493722114/photo/1
― Οὖτις, Monday, 14 December 2015 17:02 (eight years ago) link
^^^let's do our part here guys
― Οὖτις, Monday, 14 December 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link
Sunday Times op section featured a piece on lying by the editor of Politifact, and this chart:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWJGiPNVAAA2H8w.png
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 December 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link
Martin O'Malley, King oh Half-Truths
― you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Monday, 14 December 2015 19:30 (eight years ago) link
grrr "of"
Are Bill, Biden, Cheney and Obama on there for ... scale?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 December 2015 19:31 (eight years ago) link
that chart is incredibly telling, isn't it?
― wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 14 December 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link
telling of the liberal lamestream media's bias against conservatives, yes
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 December 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link
haha exactly
― Οὖτις, Monday, 14 December 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link
Breitbart's version of that chart is exactly the same with the numbers reversed
― Οὖτις, Monday, 14 December 2015 19:52 (eight years ago) link
did politifart rate clinton on #BENGHAZI ?!?!
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 December 2015 19:52 (eight years ago) link
GOP base: "lie to me"
― wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 14 December 2015 19:52 (eight years ago) link
what about every time Sanders and Clinton have LIED about climate change being real?!?
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 December 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
I've read many a Politifact analysis of various political statements, where they lay out their cases for rating them one way or another, and I can't say I've been overly impressed at the reasoning behind their ratings. Sometimes they nitpick over very small errors and at other times they seem awfully lenient over large misstaements. However, when they say "Pants on Fire" it is always an accurate assessment.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 14 December 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link
Poltifact's both-sides-do-it equivalence is annoying as hell
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 December 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link
it truly is. and that's why that chart is so damning (my smartass comments aside). i'm sure conservatives would just blow it off as liberal media bias without even realizing that if anything it's probably TOO forgiving
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 December 2015 20:04 (eight years ago) link
I have no exp with Politifact, but this particular NYT piece wasn't both-sides-do-it so much as all-pols-lie (which is true, that's their job).
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 December 2015 20:07 (eight years ago) link
which debate was it, maybe the CNBC one, where each of the GOP candidates referenced a single organization that assessed their budget plans? and of course, each candidate's budget was deemed to be an enormous driver of growth and neverending prosperity and DOUBLEFUCKINGDIGITS annual GDP increases? if memory serves, the organization they all referenced was part of the fucking Heritage foundation. and no one called them out on it, certainly not the debate moderators. god that was bullshit. i'm trying to imagine the reaction to sanders or clinton citing a positive evaluation of their budget plans from MoveOn.org
― Karl Malone, Monday, 14 December 2015 20:09 (eight years ago) link