Buttload of Faith: the 2016 Presidential Primary Thread (Pt 2)

60% of the Republican party

"likely voters," who are not the party

watch for the nominee to be not-one-of-those-three

rubio, then? it's definitely possible, but cruz has so much money.

i beseech you (poor morons) to break out of your fact free bubble and vote for a candidate that is maybe only lying 49% of the time (maybe less!)

That whole thing where Fiorina made up a clip from the Planned Parenthood videos and then refused to retract it when everyone pointed out it didn't exist. I think that's her claim to wingnut fame. But compared to the of the repub field, that seems quite mild, perhaps.

Are polls even down to the "likely voter" point yet? Thought that was one of 538's recurring mantras, that as it gets closer to the actual voting, the polls will be refining down to a likely-voter model but I can't remember how they do that or when.

surprised no one is hammering the 'but the futures markets say otherwise' stuff in the press this time around

caption this photo plz
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/sOtAI3p0s_iO04bgGF3Muw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAwO2lsPXBsYW5l/http://40.media.tumblr.com/f1447cdfe580142be6ed97fec6c25901/tumblr_inline_nzd6f5OhSN1tdoo3z_1280.jpg

Feel like the services of St Sanders are needed

saw my first Rubio bumper sticker today

http://i68.tinypic.com/91e7ow.jpg

i made an homage to the pioneering politicians with dildos guy, but warning, extremely NSFW

it's also kind of disturbing, sorry

an acquaintance made this (also nsfw)

https://twitter.com/_markallen/status/663812185563369472

@the_intercept 18h
Marco Rubio, who is raising money from telecom industry, asked FCC to let states block municipal broadband services.

https://theintercept.com/2015/12/14/marco-rubio-pushes-to-block-low-cost-high-speed-broadband/

Trump supporter screams "Sieg Heil" at Black Lives Matter protestor during Trump rally:
http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Donald-Trump-Supporters-Scream-Nazi-Salute-6699265.php

this was retweeted by cruz himself

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWSK8ufVAAIByS-.jpg

he has the face of a disney villain

https://twitter.com/caseyscomments/status/676818638205128705

queue Michael Sembello-themed campaign commercial

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/4/45/Ratcliffe.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121020201453

he's coocoo for constitutionpuffs

i am seeing a cinema classic w/ Karl Malone tonight, who never suspected i just wanted him to skip the evening's GOP freakshow for his mental health

finally going to rescreen Ghostbusters eh

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428515/conservative-leaders-ted-cruz-earns-allegiance-private-meeting

Tony Perkins of FRC runs his own straw poll (a non-smoke-filled room); they see it as cruz vs rubio

really interesting, esp the attitude toward trump. evangelicals (at least their leadership) really aren't into him.

why would they be, he is really clearly not one of them

Trump is complete and total anathema to evangelicals, who are all about helping refugees (that they can then convert into Christians)

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/.rmr6fD2Fy5izZHEJS.AYA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NjE4O2g9NDEy/http://media.zenfs.com/en_US/News/TheWrap/Donald_Trump_Avoids_Nazi_Salute-248304b5022a3e69b43adc9e3a4aeed0

Trump is complete and total anathema to evangelicals, who are all about helping refugees (that they can then convert into Christians)

― you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Tuesday, December 15, 2015 1:10 PM (2 hours ago)

eh most "evangelicals" don't think this hard

yeah neither do American consumers. i really doubt his bank account is going to suffer any consequences if he loses and takes a long vacation (after courting Nazis)

http://www.religionnews.com/2015/11/18/evangelicals-torn-admitting-refugees-us-analysis/
http://www.npr.org/2015/11/19/456577699/evangelical-groups-tell-political-leaders-jesus-was-a-refugee
http://www.christianpost.com/news/syrian-refugees-evangelical-immigration-table-resettlement-christians-muslims-terror-fear-151675/
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/national-refugee-sunday/
http://www.worldevangelicals.org/refugees/
http://nae.net/nae-calls-for-continued-resettlement-of-refugees/

There is certainly debate within the evangelical community on what the best way forward is but the messages coming from their leadership and organizations are pretty unambiguous on this point.

That Trump pic looks like he's trying to do the McKayla Maroney "not impressed" face

http://www.amerikaliturk.com/media/images/112012/obamadudak.jpg

eh most "evangelicals" don't think this hard

― k3vin k., Tuesday, December 15, 2015

yeah no, k3vin

more stuff from republicanland:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/12/gop-billionaires-cant-seem-to-buy-this-election.html

this story is amazing:

GOP donor class could have saved themselves millions by, like, reading sam wang and nate silver instead of listening to karl rove. they really thought mitt would win, and they're pissed now.

The savviest GOP candidates have capitalized on this shift. In fact, Cruz’s campaign fund-raising apparatus seems designed to let donors roll up their sleeves. Cruz contributors can specify how they want their money spent, much in the way universities allow benefactors to earmark their donations for a new science wing or aquatics center. “If you’re a donor, you can say, ‘I want to see this money used for Iowa,’ ” one strategist told me. “It’s a way to entice donors. They look at it like fantasy football.”

lol oh god hahahaha

Trump is complete and total anathema to evangelicals, who are all about helping refugees (that they can then convert into Christians)

― you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Tuesday, December 15, 2015 1:10 PM (2 hours ago)

eh most "evangelicals" don't think this hard

― k3vin k., Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:48 PM

i wouldn't paint evangelicals with such a broad stroke. at this point their choices are:

- Cruz (who only wants Christian refugees, determined by a method that doesn't exist, so i doubt he's too worried about converting them)
- Carson (evangelical favorite because he doesn't believe in evolution, supports innovative Joseph/Pharoah/Pyramids fan fiction, and connects taxation to tithing, somehow)
- Santorum/Huckabee (the old standbys, and they definitely pass the Do You Hate The Right People? test, but they've also demonstrated that they can't win an election)
- Trump (he may not be a good Christian, but he's demonstrated that he's willing to throw away notions of working with Muslims. he's willing to explicitly define them as Others. enough of this PC garbage, Christianity is the one true religion and we should stop pretending that others are worthy of respect, etc etc. i know this comes across as a gross caricature but my source is 18 years of attending an evangelical church in missouri. there are plenty of christians who really want to work with people of other religions, help out refugees, and emulate Jesus as much as they can. there are also plenty of christians who are big ol' fucking bigoted assholes who see no contradiction between listening to Hannity/Limbaugh/Jones on the way to wednesday night bible study)

presuming of course that said evangelicals are going to vote for a Republican

more from that nymag piece:

Perhaps Bush is the perfect case study: The candidate who has underperformed the most is the one with a 2012-style campaign, who steered all his major donors into one super-pac. That organization, Right to Rise USA, is run by the grizzled strategist Mike Murphy, who succeeded in bundling a $100 million war chest and is now finding himself on the receiving end of donor backlash. Last month, for instance, a group of major Bush supporters held a conference call to vent about Murphy after he outlined his strategy in an interview to Bloomberg Politics. “These guys got rip-shit,” said one person briefed on the call.

these guys got what?

haaaaaaaaaa

Rip! shit

I know, you're rich in
Good clothes, and little things
Your mind, is fancy
(And your car is bitchin')
Is she weird
Is she weird, is she white
Is she promised to the night
And her head has no room
Is she weird, is she white
Is she promised to the night
And her head has no room
Is she weird, is she white
Is she promised to the night
And her head has no room
And her head has no room
Your heart is rip-shit
Your mouth is everywhere
I'm lyin' in it
Is she weird
Is she over me
Like the stars and the sun
Like the stars and the sun
Is she weird, is she white
Is she promised to the night
And her head has no room
Is she weird, is she white
Is she promised to the night
And her head has no room
Is she weird, is she white
Is she promised to the night
And her head has no room
And her head has no room
No more of this girl cryin'
I'm here, your big man
You're mine
Is she weird, is she white
Is she promised to the night
And her head has no room

during the soul-crushing descent of our country into a national Lord of the Flies-like nightmare, there is space for delicious schadenfreude

n1 josh

btw, lol: http://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/hispanic-republicans-blast-ted-cruz-after-private-meeting-wi#.jr0EvrN1W

the thought of jesus christ turning away refugees is one of the most ridiculous things

presuming of course that said evangelicals are going to vote for a Republican

― you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:09 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i know a few liberal-leaning evangelicals. what % of the evangelical vote has gone republican in recent presidential elections? i assume it's a blowup, but a lot of folks talk as if liberal evangelicals don't exist; they really do.

er i mean blowout

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-12/14/20/enhanced/webdr07/enhanced-mid-6824-1450141212-1.jpg

had no idea Colonel Sanders was latino

lmbo

are (most of) you just talking about white evangelicals?

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2012/07/partyid-3.jpg

http://www.pewforum.org/2012/02/02/trends-in-party-identification-of-religious-groups-affiliation/