Buttload of Faith: the 2016 Presidential Primary Thread (Pt 2)

ie the GOP at all levels will make its peace with trump pretty quickly here, and for good, if he wins.

the sun rising tomorrow having either a socialist or a [whatever trump is] president might cause some really weird/ugly 'bipartisan' stuff to happen in congress

Im pretty sure candidate obama ran against the imperial bush presidency and pretty much embraced it wholeheartedly once in office in 2008.

― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries),

I love that this is all predicated on revenge; "Bob Dole learned his mentor's lessons well," Mr. Dole was heard to say.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/20/bob-dole-warns-of-cataclysmic-losses-with-ted-cruz-and-says-donald-trump-would-do-better/?_r=0

any dem who ends up being president will prob look more like obama's last couple years than his first couple years -- executive orders and good speeches.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, January 20, 2016 4:30 PM

otm

:D

https://twitter.com/Elizabeth_Calo/status/689943146436886532

great hashtag

i can imagine a future where dems do fantastic in 2016 and you start seeing some republicans willing to break w/ the party to vote on bipartisan bills. i get the sense that there are a lot of republicans (among their editorialists/thinkers and legislators both) that are dissatisfied with the current party and esp if trump wins there are a whole bunch of republican op-ed ppl who have denounced him vigorously and it's hard to imagine them just falling back in line. idk i don't give this a strong chance of happening but it seems within the realms of possibility imo.

you start seeing some republicans willing to break w/ the party to vote on bipartisan bills

what Districts/states are these guys from

hypothetically

PA

cuz the people that used to do that in the Senate are gone, and the vast majority of GOP reps in the House are from otherwise safe Districts where they will get pilloried + primaried for collaboration

(xp)

i can speak best to my local politics since i know it best but i assume there are similar things for other moderate states that might lean dem - OH, IO maybe. but there are republicans in office here who are still like "responsible" moderate republicans. in this nom race there are even some so you know they exist.

but maybe any wave that could be convincing enough to get them to start voting on bipartisan bills might also throw them out of office

the republicans are like a fun-house mirror version of the british labour party, with a national leadership that is veering so close to some kind of event horizon relative to party rank and file that the two are in danger of disappearing from mutual view altogether

Toomey seems p right-wing to me, idg where any moderation on his positions in the Senate would come from unless he becomes desperate to hang onto his seat because he's being challenged from the left (which also seems unlikely)

on the House side seems like there's a couple Reps that might be flexible - Dent, idk about a lot of the others

xp

bernie prob won't get much of anything through congress, but i don't think HRC with all her "experience" will do any better. any dem who ends up being president will prob look more like obama's last couple years than his first couple years -- executive orders and good speeches.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, January 20, 2016 4:30 PM (1 hour ago)

should be noted that presidents tend to govern much more moderately than they run in primaries. we can probably expect hillary to govern a lot like bill did. hope everybody's ready for social security "reform"!

I don't think it will quite be like Bill's terms - there are no incentives on either side of the aisle to compromise, the "third way" has been obliterated.

idk nothing lasts forever - esp in politics

whoever wins is going to benefit from the fact that post-obama the partisan landscape will be less divisive (if for nothing else - like fatigue - then just the fact that racists won't have an insane hatred for the POTUS)

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/20/opinions/ta-nehisi-coates-attack-on-bernie-sanders-mcwhorter/index.html

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, January 20, 2016 5:16 PM (1 hour ago)

this has some worthwhile ideas but something like this is probably best fleshed out in as a much longer, well-referenced essay than published to cnn.com

yeah they will have an insane misogynist hatred instead

xxp

lol otm

idk where yr getting this "partisan landscape will be less divisive" stuff from, it shows no signs of abating on the GOP side

i said where - legislators and thought leaders in the movement who seem dissatisfied with the party and might not want to stay in lockstep esp in an environment w/ major dem wins

idk if you've noticed but those "legislators and thought leaders", those guys are losing. Boehner resigned, Cantor got primaried, the establishment prez candidates are all in the shitter

the GOP will hate Sanders as much as they hate Obama and the Arkansawyers.

in that environment, they will cling more desperately to whoever wins under the GOP brand, because they will be afraid of losing.

xp

the GOP will hate Sanders

Sanders will never win but of course this goes without saying, how else would they approach a liberal Jew

isn't Jew = socialist?

I can't really picture the majority of Republicans that I've met as anti-Semites but they are definitely scared shitless of socialism

yeah don't forget how virulently republicans detested bill clinton, starting with the elite dc crowd and then spreading to everyone else via the still-insane-to-me whitewater investigation

that whole saga, leading to the supreme court declaring the presidency for gwb is so next-level i just hope that one day we produce the shakespeare worthy of setting it down in fiction

I still think the GOP loathed Bill Clinton more than Obama (and, yeah, the Beltway class aka Sally Quinn types allying with them didn't help); they hated the sight of him.

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if Obama makes it through 2 terms without being assassinated I will consider it a minor miracle

I don't recall anyone being afraid Bill Clinton was conducting military maneuvers as part of a sinister plot to implement martial law and stay in office indefinitely

I like how Οὖτις prefaces nearly every post with "Sanders will never win." Such certainty!

hey it's possible the sun won't rise tomorrow but, y'know, I'd put money on it

clinton was accused personally of multiple murders in print and on radio among other things.

i mean obviously i know where you're coming from but this wave of visceral disgust towards democratic presidents has been a consistent motif of republican discourse since clinton.

otoh the GOP doesn't believe in the legitimacy of any Democratic president. They hated Clinton because he was poor white, didn't hide his appetite, was popular, and a Democrat. The GOP hates Obama because he's black, is cool headed, relatively popular, and a Democrat.

I don't recall anyone being afraid Bill Clinton was conducting military maneuvers as part of a sinister plot to implement martial law and stay in office indefinitely

― Οὖτις,

Have you eve watched The Clinton Chronicles? Hillary had Vince Foster killed because he was going to tell Bill about their affair. And Bill ran drugs out of Mena airport in Arkansas.

sounds like a bunch of sore losers

visceral disgust towards democratic presidents has been a consistent motif of republican discourse since clinton.

I'd go back at least to Lee Atwater, and that's just in my lifetime

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51V9P9CD1DL._SX299_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

maybe they'll have someone come along some day and #win at every. single. thing.

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/03/01/arts/subINAUGURAL/subINAUGURAL-master675.jpg

LOVED Poppy Bush's work on Let's Dance.

I respect that Atwater's guitar is actually plugged in.

Atwater's all "damn I gotta cop that lick"

Great Trump quote: "I'm winning with the smart people...I'm winning with the not-so-smart people too!"

reminds me of what Senator Roman Hruska said about one of Nixon's SCOTUS nominees.