Buttload of Faith: the 2016 Presidential Primary Thread (Pt 2)

sounds like a bunch of sore losers

visceral disgust towards democratic presidents has been a consistent motif of republican discourse since clinton.

I'd go back at least to Lee Atwater, and that's just in my lifetime

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51V9P9CD1DL._SX299_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

maybe they'll have someone come along some day and #win at every. single. thing.

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/03/01/arts/subINAUGURAL/subINAUGURAL-master675.jpg

LOVED Poppy Bush's work on Let's Dance.

I respect that Atwater's guitar is actually plugged in.

Atwater's all "damn I gotta cop that lick"

Great Trump quote: "I'm winning with the smart people...I'm winning with the not-so-smart people too!"

reminds me of what Senator Roman Hruska said about one of Nixon's SCOTUS nominees.

I don't recall anyone being afraid Bill Clinton was conducting military maneuvers as part of a sinister plot to implement martial law and stay in office indefinitely

You didn't hang out in the right part of the internet then. The "Vince Foster was assassinated" and "chemtrails" crowd was all over this.

Another great one from Trump: "There'd be a role for her in my administration, but I'm not sure she wants that."

("Please, please, please don't want that.")

You didn't hang out in the right part of the internet then. The "Vince Foster was assassinated" and "chemtrails" crowd was all over this.

and this was all before you had WND bombarding granny's inbox with this shit. Clinton Chronicles Redux is going to be bonkers.

even so, i have to agree that the Obama Derangement Syndrome seems more intense than CDS did. or maybe i was just paying more attention this time. it probably has something to do with the mass influx of racist grandparents and internet "libertarians" on social media.

also apparently this impresses no one but me, she is vastly more experienced

I don't think she is. Bernie's been in congress 25 years.

lol

Bernie's been in congress 25 years

Biggest strike against him IMO.

the internet was just as crazy in '95, but it was much, much smaller.

i see no evidence that the outcome of the 2016 election will improve the functioning of the government, bipartisanship, or the long-term survivability of the republican party. i guess it depends on whether you think the fourth party system has gone past the event horizon or not.

Another Ghost of Christmas Past weighs in:

http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2016/01/herman_cain_the_trump_phenomenon_is_winning_over_black_women.html

Take it from him, he knows a little something about winning over women.

lol

― Frederik B

I guess it's predictable that someone would respond in this way but I don't see why someone could not just as easily lol at Clinton's experience overall.

Or not lol.

long-term survivability of the republican party.

Maybe it's just a matter of nomenclature, but when will this finally come to pass? Because the Republicans (or Tea Party) seem to be doing just fine. Sure, they may not get the White House any time soon, but they've been doing well everywhere else. State/local elections, congress, governors, etc. Right? Between that and the current composition of the Supreme Court, the Republicans have been at least as effective in halting, slowing or reversing progress as the democrats have been at passing progressive legislation. And yeah, I think the ACA and halting deportations and whatnot are positive developments, but their security sadly seems sort of tenuous.

yeah, I'm extremely sick of hearing about the impending doom of the GOP. Wake me up when it actually happens. It pisses me off even more because Democrats seem to have the attitude of sit back and wait until the republicans blow up, meanwhile fewer and fewer Democrats hold meaningful offices on both the state and national level.

if they take a hit during this election i think they'll just come back hungrier, meaner, and more willing to double down on outrageous public comments. like this guy already unofficially running for gov in pa, currently being a major roadblock to getting a budget:

"We had him down on the floor with our foot on his throat and we let him up. Next time, we won’t let him up."

http://www.politicspa.com/wagner-doubles-down-on-wolf-critique/72049/

I guess it's predictable that someone would respond in this way but I don't see why someone could not just as easily lol at Clinton's experience overall.

― timellison, Thursday, January 21, 2016 2:39 PM (2 hours ago)

especially since her "experience" amounts to eight years in the senate with basically no significant accomplishments and some pretty appalling votes and then four years as secretary of state with...also no real accomplishments. she did try to push obama in a more hawkish direction on syria but i'm not sure anyone would trumpet that as a "progressive" move.

but no denying that hillary probably gets invited on more sunday talk shows than bernie.

@jheil
This morning over coffee in NH, @ChrisChristie told me the death of GFrey hit him way harder than that of DBowie.

Well, yeah.

he's eaten a lot of lunches all by himself

this is fun: sanders in '95 going toe to toe with duke cunningham over gays in the military

https://magazine.good.is/videos/bernie-sanders-shuts-down-member-of-house

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Hillary_Clinton_receives_a_football_jersey.jpg/1280px-Hillary_Clinton_receives_a_football_jersey.jpg

I just pictured an alternate universe Christie, wearing tight glam finery and weeping copiously while holding a press conference about his pain over Bowie's death.

Massive lol crut!

this is fun: sanders in '95 going toe to toe with duke cunningham over gays in the military
https://magazine.good.is/videos/bernie-sanders-shuts-down-member-of-house
― goole, Thursday, January 21, 2016 12:06 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

also, i was too young to know what a scum cunningham was. morbidly interesting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Cunningham#Scandals_and_corruption

yeah that's the kicker - dude turned out to be the most corrupt pol of his generation i think

he would change into pajama bottoms and a turtleneck sweater to entertain them with chilled champagne by the light of his lava lamp.[24]

I cannot.

a top gun of corruption if you will

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The website Talkingpointsmemo has the annual Golden Duke Awards for particularly egregious corruption/scumbaggery from elected officials.

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/01/21/upshot/20up-estab-illustration/20up-estab-illustration-master675-v2.jpg

the new york times

Lady Lindsey basically endorses Hillary: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-ted-cruz-shot-or-poisoned_us_56a11e33e4b0d8cc109905aa?ref=yfp

"So let’s just pick somebody out of the phone book if we have to," added Graham, who recently backed Jeb Bush.

"We can win this election unless we lose it."

Deep Thoughts, by Lindsey Graham

i think he means it in a Britney Spears - Till The World Ends kind of way

If Cruz wins the nomination, that extreme-right faction will dominate the Republican Party not just in the presidential run but for the foreseeable future—even if Cruz loses. Just as the followers of Barry Goldwater held key positions in the party long after 1964, Cruz’s followers will be lodged tight and will be in a stronger position to combat the RINOs.

...

Trump, on the other hand, is so anomalous a figure that the GOP establishment can console themselves with the knowledge that he leads no faction. Even if he wins the nomination, Trump can be safely relegated to the category of a one-off, a freak mutation, never to be repeated. Trump would be like the character The Mule, in Isaac Asimov’s Foundation novels. In the schema of Asimov’s far future science-fiction series, The Mule is a galactic conquerer who throws history off the course that it was expected to take, but the changes he introduces are ultimately minor because he has no successor.

From the point of view of the Republican elite, it’s easy to see Trump as The Mule: He’s unexpected, he disrupted their plans to coronate Jeb Bush, but he’s also someone who can’t leave a lasting legacy because the traits that made him who he is are not replicable. There are not that many billionaire reality-show stars who are interested in taking over a political party.

https://newrepublic.com/article/128107/classier-two-evils

i want to believe that Trump has no faction, but (and Josh Marshall argued a version of this a few days ago) isn't he essentially part of the Sarah Palin faction? there appears to be an enormous number of people who are willing to follow someone who is very loud and dumb, ad libs without a teleprompter and is terrible at it, and doesn't bother to make logical connections between problems and solutions.

Still want to know, from someone who was around then: was former crap actor Ronald Reagan running for office as crazy a thought as Trump running now? Something about him is just so gross, like he's not trying to elevate himself to a position he does not deserve but instead is lowering everybody else to the level he's at. Maybe it's because he was an actor but Reagan at least pretended to be a politician. Trump, he's just a dick. Though his campaign trash talk is historic:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Wacko @glennbeck is a sad answer to the @SarahPalinUSA endorsement that Cruz so desperately wanted. Glenn is a failing, crying, lost soul!

Reagan was governor two terms, quite narrowly lost the nomination to Ford in '76 and for all that time between 1964 and 1980 was a constant TV and radio presence. No comparison.

When he ran in 1980, though, plenty of Dems assured themselves into thinking he was too crazy to win.

Reagan never sounded unhinged though. His geniality and way with a zinger didn't gibe with his policies.

Reagan's hair also impeccable at all times.