Buttload of Faith: the 2016 Presidential Primary Thread (Pt 2)

dude c'mon. why do you keep calling her "rodham," it's like a weird version of when righties were doing the "barack HUSSEIN obama" thing. her name's clinton, whether you hate her or not at least call her by her name.

Barry Soetoro

never forget
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/gT0AAOSwBadTqPMz/s-l300.jpg

just like cutting her meal-ticket antifeminist factor

also u mighjt wanna consider the Bess Truman "It took me 20 years to get him to say 'manure'" factor.

Anyway my time is better spent on more important matters like a DHless National League. Ta!

(I do think 'Rodham' celebrates the return of the Goldwater Girl within her that is roaring back now as it hasn't in a half century)

I think it celebrates what a sexist fool you are

iron my shirt

no tickee no Hillary

my last two November prez votes btw

2012: Jill Stein
2008: Cynthia McKinney

but enough about me, thx for all the fish

Did you guys see this:
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/21/1472974/-It-turns-out-Donald-Trump-s-father-was-the-racist-landlord-Woody-Guthrie-hated

yeah that's an amazing connection

speaking of amazing connections with racists

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/690562515500032000

our next president has retweeted a message from "WhiteGenocideTM"

one for the "Is Trump a Fascist" thread

this is a good summary of trumpism imo

http://theweek.com/articles/599577/how-obscure-adviser-pat-buchanan-predicted-wild-trump-campaign-1996

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZVul9QWcAQ1Yjr.jpg

laffer? i barely know her

are those effective or marginal tax rates

I refuse to read articles

xp to self: the writer is a trad-conservative himself, mind you

Plenty of others have noticed the parallels between Pat Buchanan and Donald Trump. Some have seen that Trump is attracting the "radical middle" social base and taking on the Caesarist, almost Latin American-style populism that Francis recommended. Buchanan was recently asked about why Trump was having all the success that he did not enjoy, when he is running on so many of the issues Buchanan did 20 years ago. Buchanan said that it was because the returns are in on the policies he criticized 20 years ago. All of this is true.

The Trump phenomenon does seem to be sui generis. There are not squadrons of Trumpistas in the Republican Congress. And his celebrity persona, his extremely unusual and independent financial power, his felicity for not just recognizing but channeling the grievances of his supporters is unmatched. It's hard to imagine anyone else rebuilding his coalition of Middle American radicals and fringier, race-obsessed "alt-right" nationalists.

some have seen

Has anybody brought up that the Hillary campaign font is terrible

Trump called it very low energy iirc

"sans serif fonts are for LOSERS"

While it may lose her some single-issue voters in the primaries, she retains the option of pivoting to Papyrus during the general election.

Though really Mistral was the hot display typeface of the late 80s/early 90s, Hillary's headbandy heyday.

someone plz plz photoshop Hilz on the Mistrial cover

"The Hillary font is very bad, very bad. First thing I do when I'm president, that font is outta here!"

"We're gonna get the absolute BEST typographers in here, have them bring in some really classy modernist semi-grotesques. It'll be great. You're gonna get tired of how much our typefaces win."

ha this is similar to what i was saying about this primary but says you should vote for clinton anyway

http://bottlemagazine.com/2016/01/19/on-hillary-and-bernie/

good piece until the last couple sentences.

That piece is so dumb. Pls. explain how Hillary is "better at politics."

yeah those are the sentences I'm referring to!

some otherwise smart people conveniently seem to be taking bernie's campaign promises at face value, and are under the impression that a president bernie is going to be the equivalent of house republicans. i'd say it was naive if it weren't so transparently dishonest

wait so you think Bernie is going to compromise with Ryan's caucus? I'm confused

I don't think Bernie is going to achieve all of his policy fantasies, but he will start with the goalposts in the right place, at least. And unlike House repubs, his positions are mostly popular with the electorate!

yeah but that popularity doesn't matter

like, it doesn't move those House votes

It might help move those House members out of the House. I mean, probably not, but I guess I'd rather hear real arguments over the issues rather than extreme right vs. sorta-kinda-left-but-everyone should-come-together arguments.

i found that piece pretty glib and self-righteous, particularly the smirky dismissal of sanders's concern with campaign finance reform. also find it hard to swallow the idea that we can credit clinton for obama's assertiveness with executive orders.

i keep hearing the assertion that clinton is "good at politics," but nobody ever seems to back it up -- like, what is the evidence of that? there are plenty of ppl over the last 30 years who have been genuinely good at politics -- nancy pelosi comes to mind. what impressive political feats has clinton been responsible for?

she's not good at politics!

next to Pelosi she's a total paper tiger

She's the worst kind of politician, a la Rahm. Entitled, tone-deaf, arrogant, bends with opinion, ruthless but mostly when it comes to self-interest.

I'm a bit torn, because one thing I'd look forward to in a hypothetical Sanders presidency is him calling out opponents by name, which is something he's made a habit of at various hearings and whatnot and what a lot of us wish Obama could/would do. But then I think, hmm, isn't that sort of undiplomatic straight talk exactly what Trump supporters see in that shithead? And then I feel bad.

I did like that Killer Mike clip that made the rounds. How will Bernie get cooperation from congress? Easy, once the same people who vote him into office mobilize to replace the Republicans with more moderate votes. (Sure, equally unlikely, but I appreciate the optimism.)

also waiting for her supporters to list her actual accomplishments as secretary of state instead of just touting her "experience" over and over

Experience=name recognition.

I did like that Killer Mike clip that made the rounds. How will Bernie get cooperation from congress? E

by appointing Killer Mike as congressional liasion

once the same people who vote him into office mobilize to replace the Republicans with more moderate votes

the people who will hypothetically vote Bernie into office don't live in the congressional districts that elect Tea Party Republicans to the House, which is exactly why those districts were drawn that way

If they really cared they would move there.

I don't know how good she is at the politics of getting legislation passed. The politics of getting elected, obviously she was badly out-strategized in 2008, and it would appear she's been blindsided again. I don't know about her election to the Senate--didn't they gift-wrap a seat for her? I think her biggest political liability is simply getting people to like and trust her. I think so much of her popularity within the party is a) indebted to her husband's popularity (I'm not generalizing, just talking about her case), and b) admiration/sympathy for what she went through in '98/99 (unless you thought she was devious there, too). Obviously I'm not a big fan, although on occasion I've liked her better the past eight years than I did before.

I don't know how good she is at the politics of getting legislation passed.

she was the junior senator and wasn't in there long enough to accomplish anything - the senate moves slowly

Linking to a (paywalled) piece on the WSJ that links Hillary to Obama's executive order seems to misunderstand

a: Who the WSJ is written for
b: What they think of Obama's executive orders
c: Why they would want to tie Hillary to them