Buttload of Faith: the 2016 Presidential Primary Thread (Pt 2)

Trump and Bush would perish but we all know Cruz would chew his way out.

The hatred for Cruz is pretty impressive in its consistency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOeNZ1HtimE

https://newrepublic.com/article/128239/nominating-bernie-sanders-worthwhile-gamble

even the new republic lol

my favorite twitchy memory of cruz was his freshman roommate saying "i would rather pick a president out of the phone book"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt-vG_TdOT4

He looks like Earth-3 Richard Gere.

@ggreenwald
What @tanehisicoates's critique proves is that Sanders isn't nearly as radical as many people believe and/or claim

Also, there is nothing in @tanehisicoates's Sanders critique that glorifies Clinton & much that does the opposite

Coates:

What candidates name themselves is generally believed to be important. Many Sanders supporters, for instance, correctly point out that Clinton handprints are all over America’s sprawling carceral state. I agree with them and have said so at length. Voters, and black voters particularly, should never forget that Bill Clinton passed arguably the most immoral “anti-crime” bill in American history, and that Hillary Clinton aided its passage through her invocation of the super-predator myth. A defense of Clinton rooted in the claim that “Jeb Bush held the same position” would not be exculpatory. (“Law and order conservative embraces law and order” would surprise no one.) That is because the anger over the Clintons’ actions isn’t simply based on their having been wrong, but on their craven embrace of law and order Republicanism in the Democratic Party’s name.

Coates' "super-predator myth" link to Hil '96.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALXulk0T8cg

The thing I find the most irritating is when white acquaintances post pictures of Bernie and Killer Mike all over their timelines with captions that amount to "See, black people? See? #FeelTheBern"

it's always good to remember that killer mike is a proud NRA member who's supported ron paul in the past

LOVE Hillary's hair in that clip xpost

on the substance like a laser, always

*Reagan-esque head toss*

"Well..."

this time i had the same reaction

lol killer mike has actually specifically referenced sanders' anti-gun control stance as a big part of why he supports him. the sanders supporters i know going crazy over killer mike's endorsement got was a little embarrassing, it probably has less impact than demi lovato supporting hillary and signifies less than future and jeezy hanging w/ cam newton yesterday.

let's just do logos

https://twitter.com/EmmaSegasture/status/691093480437891072

there are plenty of eyerolls to be had over Bernie Sanders & Killer Mike but it was awesome to see a serious candidate for presidential nomination begin a speech with "Killer Mike is a great rapper"

"this november clinton-gore are automatic for the people and bush and quayle are gonna be out of time!"

http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/ifxvqkn6vr1bixefy1za.jpg

this november clinton-gore are automatic for the people and bush and quayle are gonna be out of time!"

― balls, Monday, January 25, 2016

"And Trump is a monster!"

lol

first candidate to stop in whatever town dishwalla were from and awkwardly work in dishwalla references into their stump speech gets my vote

there's yr opening rand

i'm thinking it's gonna be Rubio. they're from Santa Barbara, he'll be driving up from Anaheim and it'll hit him. "so we were stuck in traffic on the 101 this morning and while i was COUNTING BLUE CARS to pass the time...i thought about what CHARLIE BROWN'S PARENTS would think of today's america!"

*trombone voice*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZlbmB6fpYs

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/bernie-sanders-right-on-reparations/426720/

this all scans very heavily as "the system is weighted far too heavily towards rich white people and we need to fix it so that poor white people have a chance, too"

my 6th grade teacher was like friends w/ dishwalla and had pictures of her in front of the class

'her w/ them'

I do think it's sad/funny that of all the unachievable things Bernie is willing to advocate, this is apparently a bridge too far. It's like a stupid trap that's been set for Sanders re: his electoral prospects w minorities (in this case, specifically the African American community) and he walked right into it.

i honestly would be surprised if bernie's position on reparations meant a damn in one direction or another. it's such a foreign concept, even to democratic primary voters

it's not a foreign concept to black people - ie, people whose votes he's gonna need

but yeah this is probably a minor issue, a sideshow

it's not a foreign concept to black people - ie, people whose votes he's gonna need

It's also not a majority POV among black people, though, is it?

the most commonly cited poll says it is

given everything that's been handed to black people by our society over the centuries, this seems more like resignation than agreement

Saw who that Atlantic article was written by and immediately decided not to waste my time.

the thing about sanders' policy proposals is that like 95% of them are basically black issues already - not sure why reparations is supposed to be a deal-breaker

I don't consider it a dealbreaker personally, just politically it's a dumb mistake for him to make, it's just insulting to African Americans. And what would he lose by endorsing reparations? Maybe he is afraid of antagonizing the white racists in his base? Would endorsing Conyers' bill be a step dealbreaker for *them*?

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you still have to get a few white people to vote for you if you want to become president

http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2014-06-02/reparations7.jpg

do you the government indeed

Do you the government should or should not offer

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That was my thought on Sanders and reparations, and why he needs to explain his opposition. 1) If he's serious about winning the nomination, he'll need a much larger percentage of African-American support than what he has now; 2) his reasons may or may not be acceptable (or acceptable enough) to African-Americans, but I can't see that ducking the question altogether with a "Me too" will be (if he's being held to a higher standard than Clinton or Obama, that goes with being lesser known); 3) I think it would give pause to white voters who are wavering too, who like him and like his forthrightness about other matters but aren't sure if he can win--if he undermines the forthrightness, I would think that'd be a problem.

we paid reparations to Japanese Americans, that seemed to go okay

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http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/druglegalization2.png

he would be slightly better off pushing for legal heroin

wayyy better off if he made his whole campaign about peyote

lots of labor- and left-liberals are still really uncomfortable with the idea of redistribution along racial or "non-universal" lines, thinking that remedies built along straight class lines will capture all racialized damages -- coates's writing explicitly argues against this idea. i think it's likely that as a mid-century socialist the idea is personally sort of distasteful to sanders, but that's a guess.

beyond that i do think reparations is one of those ideas that is still way too radical for the general as well.

Sanders is so far from the general with virtually all of his positions idk why that should matter for this specific issue and not for, like, every other issue he has an opinion on