doesnt matter america has fulfilled its destiny of inventing the internet now its time to kick back in ones government issue yurt and game
― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 January 2016 17:34 (eight years ago) link
I imagine that a universal basic income for adults would fuel a boom in additional housing units, as more young adults can afford to live on their own. Also could spark increased migration to small towns, where cost of living is cheap, but well-paid jobs are few.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 30 January 2016 21:05 (eight years ago) link
yeah my yurt is definitely gonna be in the middle of nowhere in northern new england or the upper midwest i've got this planned out already
― ciderpress, Saturday, 30 January 2016 22:02 (eight years ago) link
feel like u might want to think about somewhere a lil more temperate
― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 January 2016 23:34 (eight years ago) link
i mean i know mongolians live in them in extreme cold but those are hardy folk
no its ok climate change will make those places good by the time this all enacts
― ciderpress, Saturday, 30 January 2016 23:51 (eight years ago) link
ya good point
― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 January 2016 23:57 (eight years ago) link
i heard of this again recently, paraphrasing: proposing a basic income non taxable: people would be free to go out there and add to their basic situation to improve their situation if they swing that way. groovy!
― Sébastien, Sunday, 31 January 2016 04:43 (eight years ago) link
wait this is not a drunk chat? ok.
― Sébastien, Sunday, 31 January 2016 04:45 (eight years ago) link
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 30 January 2016 21:05 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
From a country with rent supplement and social welfare payments where there exists great disparity in rents within very short distances, this has not been the experience. People on these benefits do not move to less popular areas for cheaper rent.
― broderik f (darraghmac), Sunday, 31 January 2016 11:40 (eight years ago) link
you could see towns competing for the new tax base, offering free wifi or something, dog parks. not totally out of the imagination. i know we're trying to set up free wifi here
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Sunday, 31 January 2016 16:25 (eight years ago) link
https://medium.com/@morganwarstler/guaranteed-income-choose-your-boss-1d068ac5a205#.ttqiaqsml
― flopson, Friday, 4 March 2016 15:35 (eight years ago) link
feel like you guys would hate this stuff cause it's a bit too tech-posi but i find this kind of speculative thinking up different welfare systems stuff interesting at the very least
― flopson, Friday, 4 March 2016 15:59 (eight years ago) link
choose yr own bossventure
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 March 2016 16:03 (eight years ago) link
something like a quarter of all impoverished people in this country are disabled and many other have other things that make it difficult for them to work like responsibilities caring for disabled relatives
not to mention that one of the really attractive things about basic income is its simplicity it removes the job of interacting with bureaucracy
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 March 2016 16:14 (eight years ago) link
lmao k
Using Paypal and an OPEN SOURCE MASHUP of Monster.com and eBay, the US govt. should block grant / waiver states (likely Texas first) to establish a Guaranteed Income, wage subsidy welfare system.
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 March 2016 16:15 (eight years ago) link
yeah you would still have to have disability
― flopson, Friday, 4 March 2016 16:17 (eight years ago) link
this is not even getting into the whole liberation from coercive capitalism aspect which is kinda the best part, instead its just the government guaranteeing everyone 7 dollar an hour jobs, i mean fine if youre just interested in dystopian fiction but this is a terrible terribly half assed plan
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 March 2016 16:23 (eight years ago) link
does the person who wrote this know that ppl who are able to work can generally get 7 dollar an hour jobs
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 March 2016 16:24 (eight years ago) link
except that theyre illegal in many place being below the minimum wage
Anyone who wants to work registers, receives a Paypal Debit Card, and each Friday at 5PM has their GI deposited.
still dying at the inscistance on PAYPAL
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 March 2016 16:28 (eight years ago) link
we shd go venmo imo
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 March 2016 16:31 (eight years ago) link
lol
i think the idea is there's a lot of desirable jobs that are priced out by min wage/not profitable enough for employer, so the govt subsidizes them and lets people choose. so instead of the only min wage/7$ per hour available being hellish jobs at walmart or scraping pool scum you get to do more enjoyable stuff that someone wouldn't actually pay you 7$ an hour for and the govt pays the difference
― flopson, Friday, 4 March 2016 16:35 (eight years ago) link
the really bad part abt $7 an hour jobs tho which btw is less than the federal minimum wage is that they pay $7 an hour, youre still gonna work yr 40 hours and have not enough to live on and have no time to say care for your child
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 March 2016 16:38 (eight years ago) link
i think a lot of ppl on various forms of welfare now make less than equiv of 7$/hr, and it goes up to 400/wk which is 10$/h
also i think the idea is by expanding the choices to low wage workers, who currently choose between mcdonalds harveyrs and burger king who all pay the same wage, you put more pressure on employers to raise wage or improve working standards etc
― flopson, Friday, 4 March 2016 16:41 (eight years ago) link
u cld raise the minimum wage or just give ppl money instead of giving the money to businesses
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 March 2016 16:43 (eight years ago) link
which is not even to mention that this whole scheme wld be an extremely obvious vector for fraud
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 March 2016 16:44 (eight years ago) link
u cld create an enforcement agency and pay $7 an hour
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 March 2016 16:47 (eight years ago) link
if this plan paid $15 it wld have more promise but u wld still be failing to help a lot of ppl who need it the most and failing to address the more profound underlying problems
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 March 2016 16:48 (eight years ago) link
Serious minimum wage increases ($15 and inflation indexing) are the thin end of the wedge imo, it's a pretty palatable populist message across demos that working full-time should pay you enough to survive. (Demonstrably so, it's passing in cities and by ballot initiative in lotsa places.) Get people on board with that and "not working at all should pay you and your family enough to thrive" starts seeming more attainable and attractive.
― petulant dick master (silby), Friday, 4 March 2016 17:05 (eight years ago) link
Uber for WelfareUber for WelfareUber for WelfareUber for WelfareUber for Welfare
― karla jay vespers, Friday, 4 March 2016 17:06 (eight years ago) link
also the idea that service jobs are less vulnerable to automation is demonstrably ludicrous, Uber is gonna be all robots within a decade and I don't know why every McDonald's isn't taking orders exclusively on iPads already.
― petulant dick master (silby), Friday, 4 March 2016 17:07 (eight years ago) link
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― lag∞n, Friday, 4 March 2016 17:10 (eight years ago) link
Prob should post on the AI thread too...
https://medium.com/basic-income/deep-learning-is-going-to-teach-us-all-the-lesson-of-our-lives-jobs-are-for-machines-7c6442e37a49
― schwantz, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 18:52 (eight years ago) link
Very simply, think of Go as Super Ultra Mega Chess.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 18:57 (eight years ago) link
computers still cant be poker haha idiots
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 19:20 (eight years ago) link
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― flopson, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 19:34 (eight years ago) link
what do you guys think of the idea of making basic income a loan (albeit one that is never expected to be paid back, but if you hit the lotto or something, people will look at you weird if you don't)?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 19:36 (eight years ago) link
don't really see why that's necessary but if it helps it to happen sooner by being framed that way then sure whatever
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 19:38 (eight years ago) link
if you hit the lotto you'll start net paying into BI fund with your taxes
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 19:42 (eight years ago) link
i think framing it as a loan makes it easier for people with means to forego it -- thinking of it as a free money kind of makes you automatically a chump for not taking it.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 20:17 (eight years ago) link
idk about loans but all welfare can be framed as insurance for unborn babies
― flopson, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 20:28 (eight years ago) link
Anyone with sufficient means would pay the whole value of basic income back in taxes. Like a negative income tax is one bandied-about way of implementing a basic income.
― petulant dick master (silby), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 21:49 (eight years ago) link
Why not have them pay that whole value in taxes as a given, but not take the distribution if they don't need it?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 22:01 (eight years ago) link
Part of the strategic value in the Basic Income agenda is its universality. Anyone who works for a living could find themselves un- or under-employed any given year, or want to take unpaid leave, or whatever. Even if someone with a $250,000 annual income would pay the whole value of a $35,000 Basic Income in income tax, they should get their check on the 1st of each month like everyone else. Anyone who doesn't have to work for a living won't really care how it's structured.
― petulant dick master (silby), Wednesday, 16 March 2016 22:28 (eight years ago) link
Universality would help lessen the stigma as well
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 16 March 2016 22:33 (eight years ago) link
wouldn't universality be satisfied by it (the loan) being available to anyone and everyone? wouldn't there be less stigma as a loan (vs what would perceived to be a handout)?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 17 March 2016 00:23 (eight years ago) link
no
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 March 2016 02:04 (eight years ago) link
i dunno, i always get a little twinge of anxiety when getting free samples at costco.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 17 March 2016 02:37 (eight years ago) link
its extremely essential to the whole concept that everyone just get a check, these are the type of programs that succeed in the usa, im saying this as if this is something that has any chance of happening in the near future
― lag∞n, Thursday, 17 March 2016 02:56 (eight years ago) link