I think calling him isolationist would be crediting him with a coherent foreign policy. He'd be much more likely to be generally reactive, which is the context in which he might just impuslively order an invasion or something.
― Gatemouth, Monday, 29 February 2016 16:20 (eight years ago) link
his sphincter is generally reactive
― you are no man. take the balls. (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 February 2016 16:21 (eight years ago) link
Foreign policy = build a lot more golf courses.
― Thomas of Britain (Tom D.), Monday, 29 February 2016 16:42 (eight years ago) link
"Putt Putt One"
― you are no man. take the balls. (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 February 2016 16:44 (eight years ago) link
Harking well back upthread:
what he's saying is that both Trump people and military people are total Nazis.
This is an interesting point. I think it is more accurate to say there is a strong contingent of southern-raised, traditionally-military-family, Confederate-sympathizing, proto-fascists in the West Point trained officer class. Thank goodness this is offset by large numbers of African-Americans and Latino-Americans in the ranks and among the NCOs who know that these officers are totally full of shit.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 29 February 2016 17:51 (eight years ago) link
Sometimes in darker moments I've favored a quasi-Trotskyite position: the worse things get, the better they get. It is the nature of a pendulum to swing ... I now think this is privileged and wrongheaded
didn't work out great for trotsky either
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Monday, 29 February 2016 17:54 (eight years ago) link
Has anybody done an ironic "good luck USA" yet?
― Szechuan TV (Noodle Vague), Monday, 29 February 2016 18:41 (eight years ago) link
My grandmother was born in Canada but became a naturalized US citizen IIRC so I don't think I'd qualify to emigrate to Canada so even if I wanted to go that route I'm SOL.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 29 February 2016 18:45 (eight years ago) link
I unfortunately don't have any foreign direct relations, but I've been wondering for a while if there's a way I can leverage being the direct descendant of a former SoS. Maybe I have some mysterious inherited power to veto Trump's inauguration.
― Lisa Welchel's Madcap Macrame Adventure for Windows 2000 (Old Lunch), Monday, 29 February 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link
Well I've heard that you can apply for French citizenship if the place you were born was ever French territory. I happen to have been born in Missouri (formerly part of La Louisiane / Nouvelle France / French America). Not sure if this is true - never cared enough to look into it further. I think it's probably intended more for people whose destinies are tied up with the immediate colonial and post-colonial chaos in Africa and the Caribbean, rather than white-bread-fed American Midwesterners.
My father notes that he's possibly eligible for Irish citizenship because his grandfather was born in Ireland. Again, it's possibly out there but it would seem that there are people way more in need of escape from their current circumstances than USian Democrats who don't much like Trump or Cruz or whatever.
Pursuing these dreamy thoughts seems a bit insulting when compared to, say, my Syrian co-workers (who have family and friends desperately trying to cross the water to the EU, against thirst and tides and skinhead anger).
― carry me a laser down the road that i must travel (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 29 February 2016 19:24 (eight years ago) link
I have been able to trace my ancestry back to the first relative to arrive here from Sweden (my great-great-grandfather, in the late 1800s) but I don't think that'll jump me to the head of the line as an immigrant.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 29 February 2016 19:50 (eight years ago) link
I'll see if they need community school directors in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, and hope my Scottish-ish-ness is enough to tip the scales.
― If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Monday, 29 February 2016 19:53 (eight years ago) link
no other option than 'not moving anywhere.' throwing a hissy fit online not an option
― rap is dad (it's a boy!), Monday, 29 February 2016 19:56 (eight years ago) link
I really want to go to ireland now that darragh has put the idea in my head. I liked it when I visited in 2010.
― Treeship, Monday, 29 February 2016 20:22 (eight years ago) link
but treesh, if you go to live in a pleasant small country like Ireland you'll never hit the big time!
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 29 February 2016 20:25 (eight years ago) link
This desire isn't really related to Trump. Just seems like chill times, chilling at pubs, maybe buying a sweater or two
― Treeship, Monday, 29 February 2016 20:26 (eight years ago) link
Lol xp
― Treeship, Monday, 29 February 2016 20:27 (eight years ago) link
I'd prob drink some cof if trump got in, would def get a cof with trís in dub if it came up
― Soon all logins will look like this (darraghmac), Monday, 29 February 2016 21:15 (eight years ago) link
what about a milk stout
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 29 February 2016 21:43 (eight years ago) link
Props to ciderpress for the message of "stick around and help."
If there's a real shitstorm of consequences, having all the good people say "see ya! wouldn't want to be ya!" and head for the border will make things suck all the harder. Just because you're chillin in Vancouver or whatever doesn't mean turning a blind eye to whatever is going on here.
― rock me, I'm a deist (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, February 29, 2016 7:45 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm otm otm otm otm
― lute bro (brimstead), Monday, 29 February 2016 22:22 (eight years ago) link
― carry me a laser down the road that i must travel (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, February 29, 2016 11:24 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
again, otm otm otm otm otm
gah sorry, that was like substanceless reddit-style upvoting on my part. but those were good posts.
― lute bro (brimstead), Monday, 29 February 2016 22:23 (eight years ago) link
Thanks brim - I realize this line of argument is a bit of a cheap shot, and if taken ad absurdum you get to a point where no one can complain about anything if they're not currently dying of cholera while covered with blowflies on an African plain.
But still I do imagine a theoretical conversation between an American Democrat and a Syrian refugee in which the Syrian is saying, "Yes, please, tell me again about how you want to leave your country because you don't like the president."
― carry me a laser down the road that i must travel (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 29 February 2016 22:48 (eight years ago) link
My father and both paternal grandparents are Jewish, so Israel here I come! That seems like a pretty safe places to live in the event of a Trump presidency.
― T.L.O.P.son (Phil D.), Monday, 29 February 2016 23:39 (eight years ago) link
i think the ppl planning on leaving the country are underestimating the likely global consequences of an unpredictable hothead becoming the most powerful man on earth
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 29 February 2016 23:41 (eight years ago) link
global warming?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 February 2016 23:53 (eight years ago) link
Dont bother coming here, we just lock people up who emigrate, on remote islands with no medical care and leave you to die. Trump got nothin on our government :/
― Interesting. No, wait, the other thing: tedious. (Trayce), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 00:03 (eight years ago) link
Sweeney made it out ok I guess
― you are no man. take the balls. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 00:15 (eight years ago) link
"I realize this line of argument is a bit of a cheap shot, and if taken ad absurdum you get to a point where no one can complain about anything if they're not currently dying of cholera while covered with blowflies on an African plain."
otm
― Soon all logins will look like this (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 00:19 (eight years ago) link
"i think the ppl planning on leaving the country are underestimating the likely global consequences of an unpredictable hothead becoming the most powerful man on earth"
notm
― Soon all logins will look like this (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 00:20 (eight years ago) link
look, i'll grant you he's not a very _good_ fascist, but i just don't find that to be particularly comforting.
― diana krallice (rushomancy), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 00:40 (eight years ago) link
Plus he probably facts a lot
― you are no man. take the balls. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 00:53 (eight years ago) link
Farts
― you are no man. take the balls. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 00:54 (eight years ago) link
If you move to Montreal and President Trump decides to bomb the shit out of Quebec for some reason, those of us who stayed put will laugh and laugh. Just sayin.
― xanadude (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 01:20 (eight years ago) link
I think it is a bit early to be scouting out places to escape the USA in case Trump becomes President. There is a whole lot of crap got to fall in place before that happens. Even if he does, most likely it will end up in this royal stand off that has been going on for the past eight years and if it goes worse maybe it will give a shot to flush out this right wing lunacy for a couple of decades. As weird and fucted up this election cycle has become at least so far, it's nowhere near as wild and crazy as '68. And while it really hasn't happened until 68 or 72, it's not completely unusual before that time for a nomination race to go into the convention without the party nominee decided.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 1 March 2016 03:26 (eight years ago) link
cos everybody living in the US is a spoiled middle-class baby and there are no life-damaging consequences for anybody based on who the Prez is?
― Szechuan TV (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 07:31 (eight years ago) link
clinton will save the day
― salthigh, Tuesday, 1 March 2016 07:37 (eight years ago) link
Democrats are not the people wanting to persecute Muslims and deny asylum to refugees. `
― jedi slimane (suzy), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 08:02 (eight years ago) link
I suppose I'm flashing back too hard to the haze after the 2000 election when there was a sizable consensus that "well, maybe GWB won't fuck things up too bad." How would President Trump handle the next 9/11-sized event?
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 5 March 2016 08:11 (eight years ago) link
By eating a Mentos
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 5 March 2016 10:44 (eight years ago) link
He would be shocked into humility, realizing for the first time that some things are Too Big to handle alone
― Treeship, Saturday, 5 March 2016 16:25 (eight years ago) link
Tearful interview with Anderson Cooper etc
― Treeship, Saturday, 5 March 2016 16:26 (eight years ago) link
It's hard to imagine a situation where Trump wouldn't double down on his pigheadedness (see: "The wall just got bigger.")
― Telephone Meatballs (Old Lunch), Saturday, 5 March 2016 16:28 (eight years ago) link
A dickhead doesn't change his stripes
― Treeship, Saturday, 5 March 2016 16:31 (eight years ago) link
I don't think Trump would secure Congressional support for any sort of large scale military intervention as easily as Bush did tbh. There's a ton he could do without the approval of Congress though
― Treeship, Saturday, 5 March 2016 16:35 (eight years ago) link
Well I've heard that you can apply for French citizenship if the place you were born was ever French territory. I happen to have been born in Missouri (formerly part of La Louisiane / Nouvelle France / French America).
pretty certain you can't
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 5 March 2016 18:33 (eight years ago) link
also hey we might need you americans and your valuable experience to defeat the new virulent strain of ethno-nationalism in Quebec
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 5 March 2016 18:41 (eight years ago) link
will move to Mars spending lovely hours w Matt Damon laughing at you ducks
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 5 March 2016 21:44 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, I'm starting to think that vacating earth altogether is the smart play on the odd chance that American voting bloc in 2016 proves to be overwhelmingly nihilistic.
― Telephone Meatballs (Old Lunch), Sunday, 6 March 2016 04:27 (eight years ago) link
Even if Trump doesn't win in 2016, I'm concerned with other demagogues in his wake who plan to double-down on the racism and bigotry for 2020.
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 6 March 2016 20:41 (eight years ago) link