Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

how many Pitchfork writers live in northern Arkansas

thx crut

Bloomberg is literally clenching his sphincter in that pic

is that Billy Crystal at the, ahem, far right?

There's also the possibility that Killer Mike isn't recognized by rural black southern voters.

Well, yeah.

i would still rather golf with Trump than with Billy Crystal fwiw

xp

xpost I know at least one who used to live in Fayetteville!

one of the best things about this primary imo is seeing how the new voting blocks obama brought in in 2008 + 2012 appear to be ongoing + permanent w/ v high levels of black voter participation. bernie supporters who are bummed about how he did in GA, NC, SC, AL should not overlook that it's a huge deal that black voters made up more than half of voters in alabama + georgia.

i don't think it's a huge surprise that black voters -- who generally have the most to gain or lose by nominating someone seen as an electability risk, and who have maybe become a little skeptical over the years of promises made but not kept -- would coalesce around the safer, establishment pick. remember, most black voters backed hillary in '08 before it became clear that obama had a plausible path to the nomination. it's not so much that they love hillary. it's that they want a democrat in the white house

i'd again recommend this charles m blow piece - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/11/opinion/campaign-stops/stop-bernie-splaining-to-black-voters.html

it's just the worst kind of myopia to assume that bc it's obv to you that your candidate is the best one that means it's unfathomable that someone could disagree

http://lds.net/blog/buzz/lds-news/donald-trump-opinion-on-mormons/

Drumpf insisted that Mitt Romney lost because his faith was “alien.” But as Drumpf’s thoughts on the Church turned negative, Coppins interrupted explaining that he was Mormon. Drumpf then changed his tune saying, “People don’t understand the Mormon thing. I do. I get it.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-not-long-killed-trump-rally-article-1.2549868?cid=bitly

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, March 2, 2016 10:19 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well this was grim af

"I watched him for hours recruit Trump supporters with five of his buddies," said Shah. "They later attacked the group I was with. The Neo-Nazis threw punches and kicked us."

She [different she] distinctly remembered one disturbing chant, which was lead by the white supremacists, "You're scum, your time will come. You're scum, your time will come."

latinos also broke big for hillary. re berniebro anecdotes, the same berniebro i mentioned above was making the case that hillary had exploited identity politics to unfairly beat bernie which seems pretty sour grapes to me + not relevant to reality.

I have a friend who suspects that Sanders loses black votes every time he talks about Denmark and Norway.

america about to be faced with the difficult question of which ideology it truly loathes more: fascism or feminism

/#thingsyoureadinvoxarticlesfor$200alex

I mean, tbc, the Blow article is pretty convincing to me. I just thought it was an interesting idea.

berniebros also paranoid about superdelegates

Pretty sure Killer Mike had a fairly long career in the South before El-P brought him to Pitchfork's attention via Run The Jewels.

Also:

i think he's going to look terrible attacking hillary if she can keep her cool. he'll look like a bully (i think the meagan kelly spat was an early indicator that it won't play well with most ppl). and i think she is going to dance circles around him intellectually + in terms of policy. he'll come off looking like a mean, stupid snake oil salesman and dems will take house and congress, stack the supreme court, and enjoy the hillary experience for 8 years before the inauguration of elizabeth warren.

Don't fully agree with the last part (after "and dems will...") but yeah, Google "Rick Lazio." Hillary will flatten Trump in head-to-head debates if he goes full thug. The thing is, he knows it, too - he went notably easier on Carly Fiorina than on anybody else to date.

this alternate reality where Dems replay Trump's current and very successful speeches in the future and they somehow result in a DIFFERENT outcome where they make people NOT vote for him is pretty amazing.

this is crazy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JGJVJTwLYo

why don't they highlight how he clearly knows who david duke is since he quit the reform party because duke was in it (along with pat buchanan, etc). pretty clearly highlights his disingenuousness

VO: What's Donald Trump's plan for unemployment in America?
Trump: It's gonna be fantastic. We're going to do amazing work.
VO: But...what's Donald Trump's actual plan for unemployment in America?
Trump: Sensational. It's gonna be sensational. We have big plans.
VO: ...Wait, no, seriously. What does he actually plan to do?
Trump: We're going to make America great again.
VO: America, do you really want a president who's basically just an unprepared and not particularly bright fourth-grader deflecting his teacher's questions because he didn't do his homework?

per the Clods News Network, Romney is about to give a "surprise" speech! Could it be "I will accept a draft"?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ben-carson-to-tell-supporters-he-sees-no-path-forward-for-campaign/2016/03/02/d6bef352-d9b3-11e5-891a-4ed04f4213e8_story.html

america about to be faced with the difficult question of which ideology it truly loathes more: fascism or feminism

@DennisThePerrin
Election '16: Corporate militarism vs. corporate fascism. The choice is clear.

well, it is

another satisfied Democrat!

Yeah, I mean, there isn't a perfect choice between the two but there's certainly one that's more preferable. Welcome to democracy. Or 'democracy' if you prefer.

i am usually all about "don't tell me surrender to the reagan democrats is 'mature' or the 'lesser evil'" but let's just recap rill quick

"You're scum, your time will come. You're scum, your time will come."

this alternate reality where Dems replay Trump's current and very successful speeches in the future and they somehow result in a DIFFERENT outcome where they make people NOT vote for him is pretty amazing.

totally different voting bases. come on now.

@ggreenwald
Liberals condescendingly underestimating political skills of adversaries (Ike, Reagan, W, now Trump) is a historical, enduring problem

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CckMFa1WoAEQRvH.jpg

dlh otm

xp greenwald is right, but it's also right if you switch out the words "liberals" with conservatives

I overestimate his ability to woo people who wouldn't vote for him and whom he's treated like garbage. Ike, Reagan, and W didn't.

xp both sides misunderestimate the strengths of the other, and from what i've seen most liberals are taking trump pretty seriously at this point, more seriously than the republicans did 8 months before crunch-time

greenwald is an idiot who has done some things that even i'm impressed with

So "corporate" is a magic word like "privilege" now?

can't believe liberals are going to underestimate the appeal of the man currently destroying the GOP w/ his divisiveness

this is a helluva can of worms to open but there is a considerable portion of the united states (liberal and conservative alike) that are not going to vote for a woman for president under absolutely any circumstances and that reality should be part of the conversation

yeah i think trump's decimation of the republican field and particularly how he annihilated two of their future (now past) stars is going to help ensure the dems don't make the same mistakes

(Ike, Reagan, W, now Trump)

lol one of these guys is SOOOOO unlike the others, guess which one

RIP Dr. Carson. Long may you ride on your unicorn made of jellybeans, and long may the cluster of tumors in your brain remain benign.

xp i feel like that's got heavy overlap with trump's base though

was waiting for carson's message to conclude "to learn more about the future of our movement, please donate $50 or more to Ben Carson for America" etc etc

this is a helluva can of worms to open but there is a considerable portion of the united states (liberal and conservative alike) that are not going to vote for a woman for president under absolutely any circumstances and that reality should be part of the conversation

― ulysses, Wednesday, March 2, 2016 2:23 PM (55 seconds ago)

a venn diagram of these people and people who aren't voting den anyway is p much a circle

Reagan was treated as a troglodyte in 1979-1980 by press though. The difference is that he was a two-term governor and didn't talk like he wanted to cut your balls off when he ran for president (as governor was another matter; it's chilling how he spoke to protestors and their supporters).

dem* xp

brb googling troglodyte

genuinely bummed that carson is dropping out

the fruit salad of his campaign was something to witness