can the modern american left genuinely claim to be anti-racist?

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paranoid personality disorder

don't hate on the mentally ill, Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Is there an acceptable political stance to take w/r/t race?

Dan I., Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:46 (eighteen years ago) link

i love fingergirl.jpg so so much

geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link

The belief that those who receive the greatest benefit from society should give back the most is a liberal value.

True, but it's interesting to note that the rich paid more under Reagan.

http://www.presidentreagan.info/share.cfm

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha, just happening to miss out on the mid-80s, when Reagan's ("Reagan's") stunning vision for taxation had the upper-middle class paying more than the upper class itself.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

True, but it's interesting to note that the rich paid more under Reagan.

I can't fully debunk that site's numbers after a casual look, but the first thing that pops out at me is that those look like figures for the income tax only. Since the income tax system is set up to be progressive, one way that Republicans make taxes more regressive is by cutting capital gains taxes or cutting (and now attempting to eliminate) estate taxes. Since the very wealthy make most of their money as capital gains rather than straight income, this blurs the picture a bit.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm in the process of filling out med benefit paperwork, and this shit is complicated enough w/o throwing that "health savings acct" shit on top.

haha good thing you're not applying for medicare now with all the changes that are taking place to the plan(s)! i'm learning all about the new medicare drug benefit for a project i'm involved with; it's seriously complicated shit, and there are something like 46 different plans to choose from, each with its own set of rules, premiums, deductibles, penalties, formularies, cost tiers. and if the applicants don't make the right decision, they may be screwed out of money, time, services, or appropriate medicines.

100% WJE (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

how can we be data-mining simian when her posts don't turn up on a search??? maybe there's something to this after all!

lara resnick, Thursday, 6 October 2005 00:18 (eighteen years ago) link

the election was swung to bush in ohio by black republican voters.

I haven't read this whole thread yet, but I have to respond to this because it is such utter bullshit. Ethan, I spent the week after the 2004 election examining the Ohio election results ('cause I, you know, live here) and "black republican voters" had precisely NOTHING to do with the swing to Bush. Bush won in Ohio because of a huge rural county (read: white) turnout, which in itself was inspired largely by the presence of an anti-gay measure on the top of the ballot supported by ass-backwards rural preachers.

Oh, and if what you mean by 'black republican voters' is Ken Blackwell . . . well, there's only one of him, and I can flat-out guarantee you that he won't be elected governor in 2006 no matter what evangelical ass he kisses. There are a lot of real black-men-are-coming-to-rape-your-women racists in Ohio and they all vote Republican, but they sure as hell aren't going to vote for Ken Blackwell. I'm sympathetic to the thrust of your viewpoint on this thread, but you make it really hard to take anything seriously when you pull shit like this out of your ass.

J (Jay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:46 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah plus anyway, like, voter fraud, dude.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 October 2005 01:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I know who simian is, and actually a lot of you do as well. She's an old-timer under a different name. I don't know what she's talking about, though.

J (Jay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:04 (eighteen years ago) link

don't worry, no one does.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link

That makes me feel a little worse, actually, but thanks stence.

J (Jay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I know who simian is, and actually a lot of you do as well. She's an old-timer under a different name.

i gathered that when i clicked "show all details." (omg datamining)

100% WJE (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Did anyone here see John Edwards on the Daily Show tonight and if so what did you think of what he said about poverty and does it relate to the issues discussed on this thread?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought Edwards was pretty good, better than he usually was during the campaign. And it reinforced whatever I said above about the Kerry-Edwards ticket being a respectable liberal ticket. They didn't run a great campaign, but those guys don't deserve the utter derision and dismissal they tend to receive from people bemoaning the absence of a real American left. I mean, it all depends on what you realistically expect from mainstream politicians, but I got no beef with Edwards' poverty center.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:55 (eighteen years ago) link


That's right...'cos when a documented attempted murder is reported on this board...your conscience demands and your street smarts demand that you not continue aiding and abetting and fucking assist.

You have the right to remain silent....

Chicago Police Report, HL258584.

5200 N. Lake Shore Drive, Easter Sunday

Driver's license of the offender (expired, and probably not his):

555154079358, name of "M***** S******".

Quit playing dumb. My name is fucking Kerry [deleted].

And you fucking know what "data mining" is. I got documentation from BankOne and ChaseManhattan that people have been fucking with and shaving my accounts.

That's "data mining".

But you have the right to remain silent....I'm warning you.

You check my shit out, come to my fucking apartment at [deleted] and call me a paranoid delusional liar to my face.

And you have the right to remain silent.

The name is Kerry [deleted] bitches.

Read the blog:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/raspberrywho

And see the pictures.

http://homepage.mac.com/dymaxia

You lie and feign denial and obliquely imply I'm crazy again, and I'll flood this whole goddamn board with my evidence - .pdf's if I have to.

And you have the right to remain silent.

That goes for none of your cowardly eye-rolling and hissing, and using a picture to mock me instead of addressing me directly, 'cos you've been warned that's libel.

I'm backing you into the fucking corner.

You come to my fucking building and tell me to my face I'm crazy.

And you have the right to remain silent.

simian (dymaxia), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:08 (eighteen years ago) link

can you start at the beginning? its really hard to understand this all coming into the middle of it

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I think we just got arrested.

kurt broder (dr g), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link

http://img.web.de/c/00/57/76/B2.420

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:22 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.apolitical.info/images/copperquiz.gif

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link

oh hey you're doing that thing you do.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Feign dumb, or 'role-play' (oh, I get it...'eye-rolling' ah ha ha ha ha...) anymore, and you WILL be considered an accomplice.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/raspberrywho

And you have the right to remain silent.

How many times do I have to say "attempted murder".

You have been warned enough times: start co-operating, or be considered an accomplice.

simian (dymaxia), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:24 (eighteen years ago) link

OK OK, what do I do?

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link

REPENT SINNER

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:40 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.crankycritic.com/archive/posters/thatthingyoudo.jpg

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:41 (eighteen years ago) link


Post everything you really know about Scientology...'cos this has all the marks of 'fair gaming'.

Don't know what I'm talking about?

Then you're either part of it, or you haven't done your homework about what Scientology really does.

simian (dymaxia), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:01 (eighteen years ago) link

John Edwards is right, there really are two Americas.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:13 (eighteen years ago) link

kerry email me plz!

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I changed my mind, I kind of like your thing John.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 04:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Kerry, please call a doctor and get some help. Call your family. Do something to get yourself help. It isnt good for you posting your personal info all over the internet like this. Everyone's worried.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 6 October 2005 05:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Did I miss the part where credit card numbers were distributed? I need to buy some stuff.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 05:59 (eighteen years ago) link

you apparently missed the part where common human decency was dealt out. a very sad day for ilx.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 6 October 2005 06:03 (eighteen years ago) link

JB OTM.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 6 October 2005 06:12 (eighteen years ago) link

(true, but you can't exactly blame people for taking a while to figure out wtf is going on. i had to spend 20 minutes finding different threads on different boards and reading the livejournal before i got the picture. if you just wandered into this thread or any of the others there'd be no way to immediately pick up on it, you'd just think 'hey weird')

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 6 October 2005 06:33 (eighteen years ago) link

yah dont assume everyone is going to know what going on. this shit is pretty confusing and pretty funny at first look.

howell huser (chaki), Thursday, 6 October 2005 06:44 (eighteen years ago) link

jesus, until the last two posts made me go back and read things more carefully I thought it was all just ILX fucking around like normal, screwing-with-Marissa type stuff.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 07:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Can a mod googleproof the personal info please? I don't think that this is good.

J (Jay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 12:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Kerry, I would like to talk to you about the infiltration of the KKK you brought up. I think everyone is ignoring your point because of all the other distractions you've brought up. You are right about it, there has been known cases of infiltration of the KKK. However, these are very small numbers of people, a tiny percentage of KKK members. For infiltration to be a valid reason to NOT assume KKK membership implies racism, you'd have to have infiltration numbers so high to make infiltration useless--ie entire chapters worth of infiltrators. And why bother then, right? So yes, you are correct that there have been infiltrations but only a small number of people, too small to be statistically significant (though obv. culturally significant), and former infiltrators have been open and honest about it after the fact. If Byrd was an infiltrator, it seems highly unlikely he'd be sitting around apologizing for his past instead of saying, "Well actually it was a mission to find out more about the inner workings of the KKK."

Is there some friend you can go hang out with for a little while? I seriously thought you were joking around at first on ILB but I see you are not. I think it is best for your safety if you go to a friend's house.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link


You don't write like Ally K------ and you know it.

You have that sing-songy Scientological tone.

Fact is, you are essentially arguing in favor of a permanent 'blackballing' of someone who was ever in 'the KKK'.

My sister's name is Kelly. My brother's name is Kevin. My name is Kerry.

And I've seen you bitches talking in code about 'the KKK', so you stop talking in code.

The less you ignore me, the more you play into my hands.

simian (dymaxia), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Call your siblings.

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Kerry, can you call your brother or sister? I think you should talk to them about all of this, see if they're alright and what they think.

xpost

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, i think that's good advice!

kerry, to my knowledge, no one here has anything against you at all. and, just speaking personally, you've been one of my favorite ilXORs!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link


Um, you're lying again.

You are intimating that I haven't. And I have.

I told my brother and sister about the stalking stuff, and they believed it. Oh and...I notice how you avoid anything regarding my father....why is that? And you forged e-mails from my mom too, and you know it. She used an easy password on purpose to see if you'd take the bait. You forged an e-mail telling me to "get my prescriptions filled". So I answered her and spanked the shit out of her, and told her to "fuck off", and you know what? The next time I saw my mother, she made no mention of it, she never told me I needed to "take medication", she never cried or asked for an apology for telling her to "fuck off".

You know why? 'Cos it was a fucking forgery, that's why. And I never got those fucking forgeries again.

You think I don't know my own mother's writing style? She was an English major at Northern Illinois before she dropped out, but who do you think taught me to write? I suppose you'll use that in my next response. I wonder what you'll have to say about my father, 'cos you hate him and you're scared shitless of him...that's why.

I have the e-mails from my brother and sister indicating that they believe me and that they'll help me any way they can. They have NEVER repudiated me. What's next? You want those e-mails? How dare you intimate that they would take your side over theirs. You're slandering and stalking my sister as well, and you ran her out of the building at 4950 N. Marine Drive based on lies.

Oh and...speaking of 4950 N. Marine Drive, how the fuck did that show up in databases on the 'net as my home address? 'Cos I never had a lease there, never had a phone number there, never had a phone bill there, never had a utility bill there....I only had ONE credit card bill sent there ('cos I started using all sorts of addresses in an effort to throw them off), and guess what? It was ChaseManhattan.

I'm not playing your games. And you flat-out say that I haven't talked to them, and I have. You've got a lot of nerve.

That's the game, people - I give them personal information, and they take that, adapt, and base their next volley on it. Let's see what you do with THIS.

Go ahead and call me disruptive, paranoid schizophrenic or whatever.

This is the private dirt that Scientology set up, and then used it against me when I had no choice but to cave. You harass the shit out of someone, and when they break and "see a doctor" or "seek help" or whatever, you seize the opportunity to use that against them.

This is exactly what they don't want....and that's why I have to do it.

When they make a factual error, when I call them out on libel, when they make an accusation they can't prove, and I post the facts....they go back, try again, revise, and come back with a more subdued, polite version of the same intimations...this time using whatever information I've given them.

I've done it in the past, and it's worked for me.

So, oh yeah - I have a brother and a sister. They knew that already, of course, but now I have given them permission to use that information (this is what they think). They're so dumb that they don't realize that there are all sorts of assumptions in the suggestion that I talk to them. At this point, they're just trying to convince themselves that they've "got something". When all else fails, get them to personally disclose.

You just watch this thread. There was some role-playing and gaslighting up above, and that's why I stepped in. 'Cos I found that covert 'KKK' shit on another board, and once, a long time ago, when I worked in Northwestern's Library, a black co-worker joked about my initials being "KKK". That's a "mark". That was bait for them, and now they're pretending they don't know what I'm talking about.

You know I hate to be the center of attention and "disruptive", but it feeds them, and every time I go offline for a while...it gets worse, and I usually end up having "an accident" or something.

So, I am bound by conscience and I have a duty to myself to do this, but I also have to do it to "clear" all of the slanders and make worthless all of the private info they have gathered on me.

Just watch how it works.

Oh, and J - no need for e-mails. I'm feeling fine. The more I play this role they want me to play, the better I feel actually. I guess I am supposed to do this.

simian (dymaxia), Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm feeling fine.

That's a relief. Feel better than fine soon.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Eric please restrain yourself thnx

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I meant it.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Whether you meant it or not, responding doesn't help.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link


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