American politics 2016: Lawyers, Guns, and D-Money

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i think putin prefers working with authoritarians bc it's much easier to figure out what their interests are

Mordy, Friday, 11 March 2016 17:15 (eight years ago) link

gangster sees a mark

^^^

I was just making a joke about Putin murdering former associates guys

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 March 2016 17:22 (eight years ago) link

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/freedom-caucus-budget_us_56e76241e4b0860f99da2cb3?

Members of the conservative House Freedom Caucus said Monday night they would not support the federal budget deal proposed by House Republican leadership, putting the spending plan — and the entire appropriations process for the year — in serious jeopardy.

From the basement of a Capitol Hill restaurant, Tortilla Coast, Freedom Caucus members took an official position against the $1.07 trillion budget that’s scheduled for a committee vote on Wednesday. The conservatives took issue with the top-line spending number, arguing that Republicans should go back to the $1.04 trillion level under automatic spending cuts known as sequestration that were set in 2011.

At least 30 members of the roughly 40-member Freedom Caucus voted to formally oppose the budget. Those 30-some members are vital for the Republican budget. Without their support, the document would lack a majority of House votes, since the spending blueprint typically gets no Democratic backers.

But the votes are not there for what they want:

The fiscal blueprint, released Tuesday by Budget Committee Chairman Tom Price, R-Ga., relies on eliminating health care subsidies and other coverage provided by Obama's health care law, sharp cuts to Medicaid, and reprises a plan devised by Ryan years ago that would transform Medicare into a voucher-like program for future retirees. A deteriorating fiscal picture required Price to propose deeper cuts than ever before...

Many conservatives oppose the additional $46 billion or so in higher spending that the deal with Obama permits for the upcoming round of appropriations bills for the 2017 fiscal year starting Oct. 1; it comes on top of about $66 billion in higher spending for the ongoing budget year.

In sum, conservatives are tired that sweeping budget cuts are never implemented while Obama prevails on more money for agency operating budgets. A plan to advance real spending cuts along with the nonbinding budget targets didn't win over many tea party converts, in part because it's plain the cuts wouldn't make it through the Senate

http://news.yahoo.com/conservatives-block-budget-ryan-cites-anxiety-among-voters-150836916--politics.html

curmudgeon, Thursday, 17 March 2016 18:28 (eight years ago) link

lol

Οὖτις, Thursday, 17 March 2016 18:54 (eight years ago) link

i'm trying to figure out who charlie brown and lucy are at this point. maybe we are all charlie brown

Karl Malone, Thursday, 17 March 2016 18:56 (eight years ago) link

I assumed Charlie = Ryan and Lucy = Freedom Caucus

Οὖτις, Thursday, 17 March 2016 18:57 (eight years ago) link

instead of holding a football lucy just punches charlie in the dick

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 17 March 2016 19:00 (eight years ago) link

neither playing football nor dick punching are allowed at Tortilla Coast. these freedom caucusers just won't play by the rules!

Karl Malone, Thursday, 17 March 2016 19:04 (eight years ago) link

"There are two things that are unquestionably true about American politics:

1. Wielding power in a capitalistic, imperialistic, racist, sexist society means making necessary compromises and trade-offs that are difficult if not impossible to justify on progressive grounds.

2. Democratic and progressive politicians regularly make unforced errors that damage progressive goals and frequently cite non-existent or questionable political constraints to justify bad policies.

The trouble is distinguishing whether a policy decision is a necessary evil or an unforced error. About 90 percent of how you feel about the Democratic party will depend on which of these scenarios you think happens more frequently. About 90 percent of debates on Twitter ignore one of these two truths, which is why they are awful."

https://medium.com/@SeanMcElwee/two-truths-and-a-whole-lot-of-lies-2609b328bf03#.8w264npg7

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 March 2016 14:07 (eight years ago) link

Meanwhile the EPA can't win for losing.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 March 2016 18:02 (eight years ago) link

Ryan needs to shitcan the so-called Hastert Rule and just make bargains with the dems that can get at least 180 to 200 Republican votes, leaving the Freedom Caucus to stew in its own juice. It's that damn Hastert Rule that has handed them all their power, and the rule is entirely imaginary.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 18 March 2016 18:09 (eight years ago) link

so not gonna happen

Οὖτις, Friday, 18 March 2016 18:10 (eight years ago) link

he'll lose the speakership if he does that

Οὖτις, Friday, 18 March 2016 18:11 (eight years ago) link

The Georgia General Assembly recently passed a bill, called the "Free Exercise Protection Act," that would allow faith-based organizations to deny services to people based on their religious beliefs.

But making the bill into law could create some backlash from the NFL, which Atlanta is hoping to host for the 2019 or 2020 Super Bowl.

"NFL policies emphasize tolerance and inclusiveness, and prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, or any other improper standard," Brian McCarthy, NFL spokesman, said in a statement. "Whether the laws and regulations of a state and local community are consistent with these policies would be one of many factors NFL owners may use to evaluate potential Super Bowl host sites."

http://news.wabe.org/post/religious-exemption-bill-could-bump-ga-super-bowl-list

priorities

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 19 March 2016 17:38 (eight years ago) link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/03/21/why-we-cant-ignore-the-house-republicans-really-bad-budget/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-posteverything%3Ahomepage%2Fcard

More on the House Republicans budget bill (that proposes lots of cuts, but not enough for the 40 member Tea Party Freedom caucus)

curmudgeon, Monday, 21 March 2016 16:25 (eight years ago) link

unless they're just straight-up trolling right wing media

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 21 March 2016 18:22 (eight years ago) link

i would donate my 2004 Cuba photos to the White House for digital manipulation, but then again the only one i'm in is at Che's gravesite / memorial.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 March 2016 18:23 (eight years ago) link

tomorrow is the meeting with dissidents and the ballgame, so nuthin can go wrong there.

how does this compare to photos of Nixon with the actual Mao? tell the wingnuts to sit on a chainsaw.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 March 2016 18:25 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/lvP1E8D.jpg

pplains, Monday, 21 March 2016 18:26 (eight years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeFtox0WEAQJQwT.jpg

ejemplo (crüt), Monday, 21 March 2016 18:30 (eight years ago) link

unless they're just straight-up trolling right wing media

^^^^

Οὖτις, Monday, 21 March 2016 18:32 (eight years ago) link

how would he be trolling right wing media?

In that Reagan speech under the Lenin bust, he condemned the Soviet system's stifling of intellectual curiosity, according to what I remember reading in the Cannon bio.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 March 2016 18:35 (eight years ago) link

it'd be pretty funny if, back at the white house, the obamas are sitting around reading people rage about this and giggling

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 21 March 2016 18:37 (eight years ago) link

"mister president, maybe we should have the cameras face the other way? there's a huge che guevara mural behind you"

"nah, maybe o'reilly or limbaugh will finally have a brain aneurysm while yelling about this"

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 21 March 2016 18:39 (eight years ago) link

"Do you have any cigars about? I thought you'd have cigars. Never mind, doesn't matter"

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 21 March 2016 18:40 (eight years ago) link

"nah, maybe o'reilly or limbaugh will finally have a brain aneurysm while yelling about this"

― μpright mammal (mh

Change we can believe in!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 March 2016 18:42 (eight years ago) link

nobody except the right wing media and maybe some cubans in FL give a fuck about these photos

marcos, Monday, 21 March 2016 18:51 (eight years ago) link

speaker ryan growing a conscience? wtf is this

http://www.speaker.gov/press-release/full-text-speaker-ryan-state-american-politics

still reading thru it

"I’m certainly not going to stand here and tell you I have always met this standard. There was a time when I would talk about a difference between “makers” and “takers” in our country, referring to people who accepted government benefits. But as I spent more time listening, and really learning the root causes of poverty, I realized I was wrong. “Takers” wasn’t how to refer to a single mom stuck in a poverty trap, just trying to take care of her family. Most people don't want to be dependent. And to label a whole group of Americans that way was wrong. I shouldn’t castigate a large group of Americans to make a point.

"So I stopped thinking about it that way—and talking about it that way. But I didn’t come out and say all this to be politically correct. I was just wrong. And of course, there are still going to be times when I say things I wish I hadn’t. There are still going to be times when I follow the wrong impulse.

"Governing ourselves was never meant to be easy. This has always been a tough business. And when passions flair, ugliness is sometimes inevitable. But we shouldn’t accept ugliness as the norm. We should demand better from ourselves and from one another. We should think about the great leaders that have bestowed upon us the opportunity to live the American Idea. We should honor their legacy. We should build that more confident America.

doesn't know the diff between flare and flair but oh well, wisconsin

goole, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 16:35 (eight years ago) link

golden opportunity for a Dem House? lookin' like idiots so far...

"...Most of those seats are hopelessly Republican, but not all of them. Six of the districts have a Cook Partisan Voting Index score (a measure of how much more partisan a district is than the median) of “Republican+10” or less. Democrats held two of them, the 3rd and 10th districts in Pennsylvania, as recently as 2010. Illinois’s 16th district, held by Republican Representative Adam Kinzinger, is only R+4, but no Democrat emerged to challenge him. Given their thin margin for error, Democrats need surprises in seats like Kinzinger’s to win the majority. But they cannot get his.

If this pattern continues, dozens more Republicans (in the states where candidates can still file) will see no general-election opposition from Democrats. To give one glaring example, Virginia’s 2nd district, which Mitt Romney won only narrowly in 2012, has an open seat; incumbent Scott Rigell is retiring. But while two Republicans have announced they’re running, no Democrat has declared yet, and filing closes March 31. There’s also no Democrat currently running in Colorado’s 3rd district, an R+5 seat where incumbent Scott Tipton only won 53 percent of the vote in 2012."

https://newrepublic.com/article/131919/retaking-house-democratic-pipe-dream

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:18 (eight years ago) link

yeah one thing I know for sure is that the Dems will actively screw up every opportunity handed to them this season

the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:25 (eight years ago) link

wow at Ryan's makers/takers recant. it's not often you see someone in his position admit that they were completely wrong

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:26 (eight years ago) link

would be cool if all Bernie's $$$ was going to challengers for those House seats instead

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:26 (eight years ago) link

Kizinger's kinda hot tbh

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:26 (eight years ago) link

that Ryan statement is really odd, trying to think of what could have motivated it

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:26 (eight years ago) link

Growth? It's been known to happen. Rarely.

I Can Say I Know We're Risin' Underneath The Blazin' Sky (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:38 (eight years ago) link

He's probably dying.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:40 (eight years ago) link

don't underestimate electoral panic

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:40 (eight years ago) link

i suppose there is the possibility that he genuinely realized he made a mistake (over and over) and wants to atone. but wasn't he handing out copies of the fountainhead to everyone like 2 years ago? and now suddenly he realizes it was all a giant mistake? someone needs to ask him if ayn rand is still his favorite author

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:40 (eight years ago) link

of course he can pretend he doesn't thumb through The Fountainhead before his P90X routine.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:41 (eight years ago) link

yeah there's gotta be some political triangulation/calculation to saying this at this particular juncture, I just don't get what it is. Maybe that's undergirded by some personal revelations, and in that case I can't help but wonder what those were as well.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:42 (eight years ago) link

"cut your losses"

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:48 (eight years ago) link

lol @ those paragraphs leading into praise for the Kemp-Roth '81 tax cut ie more Laffer cruve "trickle-down" horseshit

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:50 (eight years ago) link

but wasn't he handing out copies of the fountainhead to everyone like 2 years ago? and now suddenly he realizes it was all a giant mistake? someone needs to ask him if ayn rand is still his favorite author

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, March 23, 2016 12:40 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If we can forgive 19-year-olds, perhaps we can also forgive Paul Ryan.

I Can Say I Know We're Risin' Underneath The Blazin' Sky (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:50 (eight years ago) link

Maybe, and I'm talking just an outside chance here, but maybe Ryan suddenly realized that makers/takers is widely used by white supremacists as coded language for whites/minorities and he became deeply ashamed of himself.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:54 (eight years ago) link

David Stockman: "Kemp-Roth was always a Trojan horse to bring down the top rate."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:57 (eight years ago) link

Every Republican running for President is proposing more massive tax cuts for the rich.

Ryan may be changing his phrasing, but not his core values or any substantive House bills.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link

Back In January Ryan began talking about this--

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-paul-ryan-stopped-referring-to-makers-and-takers/

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 18:06 (eight years ago) link


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