Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

if we're talking about civilian deaths then yeah Joseph Stalin is Ronald Reagan

Imperial Japan more right-wing than WWII-era US, no contest

xxp

we have a thread fyi Hiroshima: necessary?

yeah that's a good thread

do we have one on nagasaki

put two countries side by side.

one dropped a nuke on another country and firebombed its civilian population.

another did not.

which one is more right wing.

the fascist one that built gas chambers for undesirables but couldn't get their hands on the bomb?

ok those are bad examples. that is a problem i have, i try to make a point and pick bad examples that then get picked at and before you know it i am arguing a point that is far removed from what i originally wanted to say. then i get called out for being inconsistent or incoherent.

but come on. the official approval of torture. the NSA spying. the drone program. the invasion of Iraq. a militarized and armed police. a higher prison population than China.

Todd Palin in snowmobile crash

Caribou Barbie cancels Trump FL appearance

but come on. the official approval of torture. the NSA spying. the drone program. the invasion of Iraq. a militarized and armed police. a higher prison population than China.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau)

None of these things is explicitly right wing.

there are plenty of right-wing elements to the US, and to the extent that NPR reflects a broad swath of political opinions one could say that they are participating in a right-wing discourse (though i think that's a silly simplification). but the reason you're getting picked at is because you are inconsistent/incoherent. i have yet to understand why you consider NPR right-wing except that apparently during the healthcare debates you were listening and didn't hear anyone talk about single payer (I definitely did), or bc it is a radio station in the US and the US once dropped nuclear bombs on Japan.

i don't think NPR is right wing lol.

you can be a left wing corporate shill look at Hillary

i think "___-wing" is being bandied about a bit too freely in this discussion. but this is an idiotic discussion

ok i don't think there's enough of a 'there' there to really engage on this. i understand your pov. xp

single-payer didn't get a lot of attention because most ppl in the legislature weren't willing to back it - it would periodically get floated and then stripped out and was something of a political football, cf. Pelosi vs. Weiner. I don't really think NPR's "right-wing coverage" or whatever you think it was had any impact on this at all tbh.

xp

the u.s. has drifted right on economic questions (thus also many social questions) at least since the 80s and probably since the crest of the civil rights movement; "left-right" dyads (in elections, on talk shows) that in other places or other times would be right-right ones have gradually redefined the center; and the Mainstream Liberal Media including npr has followed this shift, which does not make them totally worthless as news organs; i understand exhaustion with these ideas because they're all pretty well understood in this company but they're not wrong

but come on. the official approval of torture. the NSA spying. the drone program. the invasion of Iraq. a militarized and armed police. a higher prison population than China.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, March 14, 2016 6:28 PM (1 minute ago)

well obviously all of these things are bad but all of them have also been criticized for violating traditional american principles in some fashion: iraq was an unprecedented preemptive war, torture violates the ban on cruel and unusual punishment, nsa spying violates the fourth amendment, etc.

kacich:

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/709436710564724736

fight the darkness, hug the elderly

, crush the unions

ok those are bad examples. that is a problem i have, i try to make a point and pick bad examples that then get picked at and before you know it i am arguing a point that is far removed from what i originally wanted to say. then i get called out for being inconsistent or incoherent.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 14 March 2016 18:28 (12 minutes ago) Permalink

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i spelled his damn name wrong!

i'm beginning to imagine scenarios where kasich is president; every other damn thing is just as implausible, i could see it.

Fight the darkness, walk towards the light

Kasich/Kevorkian's ghost '16

xxxxp hot

the FEC are wet blankets.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272904-fec-to-trump-has-tiny-hands-pac-change-your-name

Trump Has Tiny Hands PAC ordered to change its name

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-9kZb9nDoE

New anti-Trump ad from a conservative PAC. They aren't even recommending viewers vote *for* someone, just *against* Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkSRJSUY0vs

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/03/breitbart-staffers-resign-jordan-schachtel-jarrett-stepman-220730

Two more staffers for Breitbart have resigned from the company, citing the website's pro-Donald Trump stance.

National security correspondent Jordan Schachtel and associate editor Jarrett Stepman sent their resignations to management on Monday afternoon.

i'm about 40% sure someone just made up the names "Jordan Schachtel" and "Jarrett Stepman" for this article but ok

Those are actually pseudonyms that Ben Shapiro's mom and uncle use for the site.

this is compared to other Western democracies. for instance national health care. or not dropping nukes on other countries.

... having a self confessed socialist running for president.

confessed! the shame

(and he aint one)

It is considered shameful in the national healthcare paradise that is the UK in 2016.

"I believe that, in the long run, major industries in this state and nation should be publicly owned and controlled by the workers themselves."

social-ist

more social-ish than social-ist

sorry for posting so many tweets lately but this is lol:
https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/709449269434912768

-_-

I kind of wish that anti-Trump ad didn't have to fall back on the old "our mothers, our sisters, our daughters" line, but I guess the intended audience is conservative so oh well.

What's wrong with that line? They have to tie it up somehow. The alternative would just be hours of clips of Trump being an asshole.

lol sorry kevin

What's wrong with that line? They have to tie it up somehow. The alternative would just be hours of clips of Trump being an asshole.

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, March 14, 2016 3:21 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Because you shouldn't really need a reason for it not to be ok to insult women? Like it shouldn't have to be tied to their relationship to someone else, just insulting women in itself is bad because they are people?

unfortunately some people need to be occasionally reminded that they some of their dear relatives are women

they

xpost Eh, I (obviously) didn't get that. They're just making it personal, from a rhetorical standpoint. I mean, if you even have to give someone a reason to vote against against a racist fascist asshole, then pretty much all bets are off.

You shouldn't need a reason, but people are absolutely fucking dumb enough -especially people who may still at this point be on the fence about trump. "Oh this half of the population is someone's mother, sister, daughter" is probably the only shot you have at creating some kind of empathy

Xps

i don't really believe in 'socialists' anymore tbh. we're all just quibbling over the details of the mixed economy and discourse would be way less annoying if everyone just admitted it instead of posturing

Not socialist, but socialish.

please don't create another millenial movement

millennials and their social medias and isms

and schisms

i don't really believe in 'socialists' anymore tbh. we're all just quibbling over the details of the mixed economy and discourse would be way less annoying if everyone just admitted it instead of posturing

yep otm

social mediaism is a serious tip