Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

bernie's only chance to win is if hillary gets indicted or something. which is possible!

i agree bernie supporters ideally should be (co-)focussing their energies on down ballot and local races. fail to see the necessity of speculating on whether our nationally representative sample of facebook friends are doing so

is there a recent poll that shows Sanders doing particularly well in Arizona?

How likely is this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-nicholas-phillips/doomsday-savior-how-paul-ryan_b_9474788.html

That piece is barely written in English.

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if any bernie fans wanna help contribute to a quixotic house race against one of the leading climate change denialists in congress (lamar smith), this is your mans

http://www.wakely2016.com/contribute

lol "Here's what I surmise about some movies I didn't see" xp

nice to see Shakes getting his arguments out to a wider audience though

is there a recent poll that shows Sanders doing particularly well in Arizona?

― There was a hole bunch of problems whit his campaigns (crüt), Wednesday, March 16, 2016 3:24 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

basically no polling at all. 538 doesn't even have pages for arizona, idaho, alaska, hawaii or washington, all having dem contests in the next two weeks. they do have utah, but the polling there is extremely scanty - last two included cover jan 6-13 and feb 10-15. i have no expertise here but i suspect people usually don't plan to do a lot of polling of later states since the assumption is the race will be sewn up. if people are polling them now (which i imagine they are, though maybe not aggressively since the race does not look competitive) there will eventually be some info, but it won't be very robust and reading momentum/trends will be basically impossible. i suppose it could turn out that bernie wins all of them by 80% landslides but uh i would not hold my breath on that one.

xp: (nb: I know that is not actually Shakey)

like I'm the only guy around here that complains about movies I haven't/will not see

not that anyone has ever cared, but i'm assuming hawaii goes hillary out of dnc loyalty, tulsi gabbard or no -- i see way more bernie signs where i live but i doubt it's the same on oahu. still looking forward to voting bernie tho.

rising sea tides lift all gloats

by now someone must have written about how the tea partiers were so successful at primarying establishment republicans, right? i remember seeing some profile once that they all used forums + email lists to coordinate. what would a national organization that tried to push "bernie"-style candidates this election (and in the midterms) look like? something like this must already exist, right?

I've never heard of one

not that anyone has ever cared, but i'm assuming hawaii goes hillary out of dnc loyalty, tulsi gabbard or no -- i see way more bernie signs where i live but i doubt it's the same on oahu. still looking forward to voting bernie tho.

― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, March 16, 2016 3:51 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

had no idea ilx had a new hawaii correspondent since gr80 moved to chicago!

the "tea party" had party apparatchiks like Dick Armey coordinating shit, I don't think Bernie has those kinds of allies.

xp

maybe the one Koch Brother that got blackmailed out of his inheritance from his siblings wants to switch sides.

this is one of the things that annoys me about Bernie, he's more of a cult of personality than a "movement" - he's run a good campaign but he's not a party tactician like Dean turned out to be, he doesn't seem to really know how to engineer this "revolution" that he claims is necessary. tbh I suspect his campaign's success has been something of a surprise, I doubt he ever really thought he would get this far.

he doesn't have to run it, tho.

who beyond the youngest and most naive expected him to?

Sarah Silverman?

paul begala was shat upon earlier today but I saw something yesterday that made me lol

on cnn after rubio drops out begala basically accuses rubio of being the john edwards of 2016 and the panel reacted like he farted in church. is it really that bad of a comparison? seems apt to me.

he doesn't seem to really know how to engineer this "revolution" that he claims is necessary

he's not engineering it, he is one of the voices of it. it's part of his success.

it's not like all the leftists in the country are going to vanish when he doesn't get to be president.

the dude from Grizzly Bear

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it's not like all the leftists in the country are going to vanish when he doesn't get to be president.

they sure seem to mysteriously vanish during mid-terms

I hate to break it to you guys that revolutions require infrastructures, resources, coordination, funding, goals ie all the things the American left has been shitty at for like 40 years now. if you see Bernie as little more than a figurehead that's all well and good but who's taking care of this other stuff?

the best organized/most effective leftist political organization in recent years is quite clearly Black Lives Matter, and Bernie obviously hasn't done too great a job at reaching their base.

lol they reached him first.

thanks for telling us what a revolution requires. Bernie should put those on his revolution checklist.

"he's not a party tactician like Dean turned out to be"

was Dean effective as DNC head when he took over? I think so, but I'm not sure. I honestly can't remember anymore.

they definitely confronted him and I think he did an okay job at absorbing their criticism (and spokespeople) but it's pretty obvious the black votes are not going to Bernie. I wouldn't put that all down to BLM or anything but black communities are not rallying around Bernie, as has been discussed here at great length (hi Frederik, no need to chime in here btw)

xp

kind of amazing Bernie was a successful 2-term mayor of Burlington while completely ignoring infrastructure, resources, coordination, funding, and goals

Dean's 50-state strategy was absolutely successful in 2006 and 2008.

xp

I'm sorry was there some sort of revolution that took place in Burlington, I missed it

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fundamentally changing national political power structures is sort of different from being a mayor, idg where you're going there (as usual)

adam r u 4 real

lol sorry k3vin

fundamentally changing national political power structures

lol are u guys for real. it's all-or-nothing with you isn't it?

ok Shakey is an Occupy-denier aqs well

anything so they get to handwave

kind of amazing Bernie was a successful 2-term mayor of Burlington while completely ignoring infrastructure, resources, coordination, funding, and goals

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, March 16, 2016 4:28 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao have u been to burlington dude

there are 42,000 people in burlington

i have been to burlington. pretty awesome place. if my city had air that fresh i would love it.

a busy lefty like Big HOOS will save us bcz he stays off these idiotic threads?

Occupy was a promising but ultimately disappointing exercise

xp

I will happily review a list of Occupy's accomplishments if anyone has one

"on cnn after rubio drops out begala basically accuses rubio of being the john edwards of 2016 and the panel reacted like he farted in church. is it really that bad of a comparison? seems apt to me."

Unless there is a Rubio sex scandal I'm not aware of I'd say that comparison is kinda strange.