Marijuana: Classic or Dud?

a lot of the weed coming out of mexico is fire now, too, mildly compressed crystally popcorn.

California > Christiania > UK ime. There's not that much in it tbh, it's just harder to get good stuff in the UK than the others.

What this has to with food culture is beyond me, but then "I have no idea about drug culture. I did a bit of weed when I was younger" might explain that.

BC bud 4eva

seems kinda crazy to say "our illegal drug market got shut down but weed in the US sucks" in, you know, 2016

sigh.

The Obama administration has denied a bid by two Democratic governors to reconsider how it treats marijuana under federal drug control laws, keeping the drug for now, at least, in the most restrictive category for U.S. law enforcement purposes.

Drug Enforcement Administration chief Chuck Rosenberg says the decision is rooted in science. Rosenberg gave "enormous weight" to conclusions by the Food and Drug Administration that marijuana has "no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States," and by some measures, it remains highly vulnerable to abuse as the most commonly used illicit drug across the nation.

"This decision isn't based on danger. This decision is based on whether marijuana, as determined by the FDA, is a safe and effective medicine," he said, "and it's not."

Man, that's goofy to me. You know what else isn't safe and effective medicine? Nearly all of the delicious Hostess and Little Debbie brand treats I can buy down at the corner for under a dollar. I get the tactical logic behind trying to use medical applications as a way of breaking the drug-war logic, but I wish it weren't necessary to go that route.

yep, it's ridiculous even if you believe that marijuana isn't an effective medicine, which many people would dispute.

also, you know what IS dangerous and is definitely NOT a safe and effective medicine? alcohol. but for some crazy reason it's not on schedule 1 with heroin.

I heard an interview with someone about this this morning, and the way it's been reported - or reacted to - has not really been accurate. According to the reasonable dude on NPR, there are something like only two obscure plants in the entire world that have ever been classified a medication by the FDA, primarily because there are too many chemicals at work in plants and no way to guarantee a consistent dose with consistent results. But that is not to say effective elements of marijuana could not be studied and used in others medicines, just that the plant itself is unlikely to ever be deemed medical, and I think they said they have expanded study.

The guy also explained the differences between all the scheduled drugs, clearing up a common misconception (at least to me) that they are ordered by danger, which they are not. Anyway, I'll try to find the piece.

I think this was it: https://www.wbez.org/shows/morning-shift/big-week-for-the-future-of-marijuana-in-america/6df7895f-18e9-4a19-8f95-3d4c0853b84e

Very level-headed and informative.

I guess i don't get why the DEA, as opposed to the FDA, needs to concern itself with whether it's classified as a medicine of any kind. There are tons of things we ingest besides medicines that are not in their purview. I guess both the DEA and FDA are involved in the schedule classification, and since it's deemed a drug it has to be placed somewhere in their lineup? I'll listen to the interview later on though.

The guys says it's actually the HHS that determines schedules, not the DEA. Stuff on schedules around the 4-minute mark in the interview. Catch-22 stuff is that the reason it is considered schedule 1 is because it falls under the category of "the drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical treatment use in the U.S.," which is complicated because even though marijuana *is* being offered medically in several states it's really still doing it extra legally.

The takeaway is basically that it is very unlikely that marijuana will ever be classified a medicine in the US, but that after it is (eventually) legalized on a federal level here it should get tacit FDA approval (as such) on the same tier as stuff like vitamins and other supplements. That is, the FDA will not give its imprimatur and vouch for its not scientifically consistent claims as a medicine but will allow it to be sold with the usual printed caveats. It all sounds sort of roundabout and catch-22-y, but the biggest hold up in FDA approval seems to be its illegality on a Federal level, yet once it is made legal then the FDA approval will be made moot.

Sounds to me like Obama admin has its finger to the wind and is just waiting out the clock, a la marriage equality.

Part of my takeaway is about the specific comments on it being a potential drug of abuse (ie getting high) - other than alcohol (though everything there revolves around 'responsible use' despite making things like Fireball that exist only to get 19-year olds fuckin' hammered), we're still hamstrung culturally by this idea that it's wrong to get high.

But no one is trying to classify alcohol as an FDA approved medicine, dangerous as it can be.

Ordered an oral tincture of 'legal' CBD oil (which is apparently still a gray area) with negligible THC content from 4 Corners Cannabis in Colorado just to see if it has any effect on low-level anxiety that's been bothering me lately.

Drink, tobacco, weed :: Father, Son, Holy Ghost

my wife put cbd oil in her tea for a couple weeks and said it helped but I'm not sure if a placebo would help just as much or not..

the pure CBD oil does seem a little relaxing but nothing mindblowing - taking some did calm

Tried a hash oil that's 78% CBD/8% THC through a vaporizer - very strange, definitely some body relaxation (like a mild muscle relaxer) and a mental calm without feeling 'high.' If weed ever becomes legal, this kind of combo will become incredibly popular.

where do you hail from milo? so weird that weed is just straight up illegal almost everywhere. i'm in WA state, and I'm right on the border of OR too, so there are just...stores. weed stores everywhere. they sell all manner of everything and I haven't even been in one yet because you need a photo ID to get inside, I just send the missus in like she's stopping by the grocery for milk. so !

of course we aren't living in any kind of mad max scenario everything is fine.

speaking of the missus she quite likes the "CBD"s because they help with her migraines, may have to look into this pure CBD oil business

I guess we've come a long way from "here's a baggie of whatever is is, good luck"

From what I've read, that kind of a percentage of CBD seems really high...I thought about 5% was about where that tops out in traditional strains.

It's very high, but once the stories came out about CBD and epilepsy/etc. it seems like breeders managed to encourage high CBD quite quickly. There are other strains that are more like 1:1 by bringing down THC levels to 9-10% and bringing up CBD to that level.

I guess we've come a long way from "here's a baggie of whatever is is, good luck"

― erudite beach boys fan (sheesh), Friday, September 2, 2016 4:48 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i live in a shitty state (OH) so this is still what we've got, though the quality of whatever is in the baggie has increased considerably since i first started buying weed in high school

OH almost legalized rec last year but it was a weird monopoly w/ a restricted # of growers (though still allowed home growing iirc) and was voted down, we also just passed a shitty medical bill

i'd love to try various strains and oils to see what works best though, just hope it's sooner rather than later that i get to do that in my home state

Reading about all the things that exist in OR/CO/WA is crazy. Here's an e-cig juice that will get you high if you want the easiest route, or here's some pot with the actual THC/CBD/etc. characteristics tested or here's edibles/wax/etc..

yea it is truly wild, i do wonder whether more widespread legalization will eventually come with some heavier restrictions on what can be sold

Edibles probably need to be regulated more than anything else - Maureen Dowd had a column about eating an entire chocolate bar and getting way too high, it's not uncommon in the legal states apparently. The guide Dowd used says he told her that the bar was meant to be split among multiple people but the package didn't say that.

Reading about all the things that exist in OR/CO/WA is crazy

it's p much like this in CA now too, the range of shit at dispensaries is bewildering. I expect full legalization is gonna happen in November.

The amount of stuff you can get off Craigslist in a non legal state is even amazing

how has that worked out for you? buying drugs on craigslist freaks me out tbh

I won't even sell old housewares on Craigslist because I don't want to deal with the people involved, fuck buying illicit substances.

I've only had relatively nice experiences. Went through two guys that were ok but not ideal,now I have one regular dude I deal with.

Not many other great options for a middle aged person if you're not in a legal state. But if youre in a decent size city Craigslist is your best bet without knowing someone already.

I buy Kratom from a c-lister and it's been peachy (though Kratom is not illegal, yet)

still kinda shocked that weed isn't completely legal in vt

Idk man there's only millions of people that have been using it for years and years without any reall incidents of overdose or ill effects.i think we need some more time to study this before we start letter people use it.

Letting not letter

I'd rather learn to navigate the darknet myself (if my relatively tech illiterate friend can do it...) than buy from a Craigslist stranger.

Felt kind of like a ridiculous stoner for thinking to myself that I'd pack up and move to WA/OR/CO tomorrow if it were feasible... then remembered that those were the three I'd choose first before legalization anyway.

I'd sketch way more with having something mails to me.

paranoia understandable here

anyone here messed around with "dabs"? I tried it twice at the behest of a connoisseur friend and it was way, way too much. felt like I was on magic mushrooms, which is kind of neat, we are certainly a ways away from a psychedelics shop but god, I don't know how people do that everyday

lesh is more

I studied all the shit you have to do to use darknet, and #nope

But if you use freenet or tor and 47 proxies and set up a bc account and get a scrambler and a wallet etc etc etc etc, apparently theres no need to wig out about the package

right?

know plenty of ppl who are only moderately computer savvy who have been doing darknet stuff for years without incident.

Dabbing sounds horrendous to me. Some teens on the bus were discussing it and saying that basically you have to get too fucked up several times before you can enjoy it.that's not for me.excessive stone to that degree is just nightmare fuel to me

Ha. Yeah, every story I've heard about dabs wasn't a good one. Basically an unexpected trip. Not for the casual.

Thank god psychedelics don't give you cottonmouth like too much weed.

cottonmouth > shroom yawns imo

https://homegrowncannabisco.com/cannabis-seeds-rooms/og-kush-seeds/og-kush-x-amnesia-feminized-marijuana-seeds he hybrid has a bright future ahead of it, especially in the medical cannabis field. Its dominant Sativa genes make it an excellent pot for appeasing symptoms of mental health issues. The happy high it induces provides relief from stress, anxiety, and depression.