American politics 2016: Lawyers, Guns, and D-Money

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of course he can pretend he doesn't thumb through The Fountainhead before his P90X routine.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:41 (eight years ago) link

yeah there's gotta be some political triangulation/calculation to saying this at this particular juncture, I just don't get what it is. Maybe that's undergirded by some personal revelations, and in that case I can't help but wonder what those were as well.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:42 (eight years ago) link

"cut your losses"

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:48 (eight years ago) link

lol @ those paragraphs leading into praise for the Kemp-Roth '81 tax cut ie more Laffer cruve "trickle-down" horseshit

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:50 (eight years ago) link

but wasn't he handing out copies of the fountainhead to everyone like 2 years ago? and now suddenly he realizes it was all a giant mistake? someone needs to ask him if ayn rand is still his favorite author

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, March 23, 2016 12:40 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If we can forgive 19-year-olds, perhaps we can also forgive Paul Ryan.

I Can Say I Know We're Risin' Underneath The Blazin' Sky (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:50 (eight years ago) link

Maybe, and I'm talking just an outside chance here, but maybe Ryan suddenly realized that makers/takers is widely used by white supremacists as coded language for whites/minorities and he became deeply ashamed of himself.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:54 (eight years ago) link

David Stockman: "Kemp-Roth was always a Trojan horse to bring down the top rate."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 17:57 (eight years ago) link

Every Republican running for President is proposing more massive tax cuts for the rich.

Ryan may be changing his phrasing, but not his core values or any substantive House bills.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link

Back In January Ryan began talking about this--

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-paul-ryan-stopped-referring-to-makers-and-takers/

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 18:06 (eight years ago) link

At a Wisconsin 4-H fair in 2012, Ryan encountered a Democrat who objected to what then was one of Ryan’s signature rhetorical tropes — his distinction between “makers” and “takers,” the latter being persons who receive more in government spending than they pay in taxes. He had been struck by a report that 60 percent of Americans were already — this was before Obamacare — “net receivers.” But his encounter at the fair reminded him that, for a while, he and many people he cared about had been takers, too.

The morning after a night “working the Quarter Pounder grill at McDonald’s,” Ryan, 16, found his father, who had been troubled by alcohol, dead in bed. Janesville’s strong sinews of community sustained Ryan and his mother; so did Social Security survivor benefits. When GM’s Janesville assembly plant closed, draining about $220 million of annual payroll from a town of 60,000, many relatives, friends and constituents needed the social safety net — unemployment compensation, job training, etc.

“At the fair that day, I realized I’d been careless with my language,” he writes. “The phrase gave insult where none was intended.” He has changed his language and his mind somewhat but thinks the fundamental things still apply.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-f-will-paul-ryan-rethinks-the-makers-and-takers-idea/2014/08/29/62d02090-2ee4-11e4-9b98-848790384093_story.html

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 18:12 (eight years ago) link

pffftt

what an asshole

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 18:16 (eight years ago) link

man George Will has always wanted to sit on Ryan's lap.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 18:16 (eight years ago) link

imo there's a difference between trumpeting your ideals, no matter how misguided they are, and being dumb enough to think your job in congress is do just stand around yelling about those ideals instead of doing your job

paul ryan is pretty bad, but he seems to actually have an interest in working and maybe finally realized some of his peers who ran on the same rhetoric aren't very bright

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 18:23 (eight years ago) link

he's so bright it took him several decades to realize he was a "taker"

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 March 2016 18:24 (eight years ago) link

it's a net product over your lifetime, I am sure all his hard work now makes up for that

lol

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 18:25 (eight years ago) link

Fun with Chait:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/reminder-liberalism-is-working-marxism-failed.html

How much hippie punching would you like in one screed? What if he worked in slams against college students _and_ political correctness in his clueless ahistory?

Darkest Cosmologist junk (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 18:29 (eight years ago) link

he still thinks the DLC won

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 18:38 (eight years ago) link

I want to thank Cruz for an amazing turn of phrase here

"If a Republican cannot carry the state of Utah, which Donald Trump cannot, you are looking at a Mondale-level bloodbath."

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 18:58 (eight years ago) link

ol' "Hurricane" Mondale, they used to call him

ejemplo (crüt), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 19:01 (eight years ago) link

We should not forget that for four years, Walter Mondale was Vice President of the United States of America.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 19:03 (eight years ago) link

and each day during that term, he bathed in the blood of the innocent, in an enormous stone tub built for this very purpose

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 19:13 (eight years ago) link

It's weird how some things only seem aberrant with forty years of hindsight.

I Can Say I Know We're Risin' Underneath The Blazin' Sky (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 19:17 (eight years ago) link

Mondale was such a no-hoper, i voted for him

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 March 2016 19:24 (eight years ago) link

in defense of lost causes by slavoj morbius

petulant dick master (silby), Thursday, 24 March 2016 00:38 (eight years ago) link

some shit going down in north carolina tonight

McCrory to sign bill barring LGBT protections against discrimination

mookieproof, Thursday, 24 March 2016 01:20 (eight years ago) link

I still have a killer Mondale '84 t-shirt fyi

tobo73, Thursday, 24 March 2016 01:22 (eight years ago) link

wtf is wrong with these people

Karl Malone, Thursday, 24 March 2016 01:23 (eight years ago) link

that bill sounds like it's trolling for a rematch on the Romer v. Evans law. what a weird moment to try and do that.

never ending bath infusion (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 24 March 2016 01:27 (eight years ago) link

Conservatives only wage culture war fights they've already lost; trans issues and "bathroom panic" is generating a lot of heat this year. No consolation to those being harmed or feeling threatened by any of this but the gay marriage cases of last year were inevitable when "traditional marriage" amendments swept ballots in many states in 2004.

petulant dick master (silby), Thursday, 24 March 2016 01:38 (eight years ago) link

This is in the NC bill too

In addition to voiding the bathroom provision of Charlotte's ordinance and spelling out state policy on discrimination in employment and public accommodations, the bill also would prohibit cities and counties from adopting so-called living wage ordinances because that would require businesses to pay workers more than the state-established minimum wage
Read more at http://www.wral.com/nc-lawmakers-bar-lgbt-protections-against-discrimination/15594951/#qPCRsZIZpmbY7Mbd.99

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 24 March 2016 01:56 (eight years ago) link

Sadly there's probably no way to mount a federal constitutional challenge against anti-home-rule statutes enacted by states, I think they can do whatever they want there.

petulant dick master (silby), Thursday, 24 March 2016 02:03 (eight years ago) link

move the fuck out, gay ppl

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 March 2016 02:19 (eight years ago) link

'radical breach of trust and security under the false argument of equal access'

https://governor.nc.gov/press-release/governor-mccrory-takes-action-ensure-privacy-bathrooms-and-locker-rooms

mookieproof, Thursday, 24 March 2016 02:44 (eight years ago) link

move the fuck out, gay ppl

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:19 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes, that should solve all the problems. can they all move in with you?

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 24 March 2016 02:46 (eight years ago) link

soonz i die

youd leave more room, tho

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 March 2016 02:46 (eight years ago) link

i have no idea what that means

if all the NC fags move to NY they'll drive your rent up though

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 24 March 2016 02:51 (eight years ago) link

^this guy goes or i do. enough already.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 March 2016 02:58 (eight years ago) link

huh?? i'm scarcely needling you any more than you or i would anyone else; i'd call it teasing more than anything else. i think you're projecting something much nastier onto what i've posted than what was intended.

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 24 March 2016 03:04 (eight years ago) link

speaker ryan growing a conscience? wtf is this

press release: i am so presidential

j., Thursday, 24 March 2016 04:07 (eight years ago) link

Conservatives only wage culture war fights they've already lost;

Yup.

Stephen Prothero just came out with an entire book on that very subject

Darkest Cosmologist junk (kingfish), Thursday, 24 March 2016 05:09 (eight years ago) link

For a very long time the conservatives were actively fighting against extending basic civil rights to african-americans and to the lgbt community and the results looked like they were winning for decade after decade.

This "already lost" thesis appears to presume that conservatives "lost" the war against jim crow or lgbt rights as soon as the rights movements coalesced. Otherwise you'd have to argue that the conservatives weren't battling from the very beginning. It would be much more accurate to say that if the oppressed are willing to continue in the face of violent oppression for as many decades as it takes to overthrow the old regime, they can eventually win their point - at enormous cost in pain and effort.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:18 (eight years ago) link

It might be better put that you only notice it when it's distinguishable from the prevailing culture.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 24 March 2016 17:33 (eight years ago) link

I don't even know what to say about the NC bill. There was a huge battle here in Charlotte to pass the non-discrimination ordinance (and in particular to add the transgender protections), with a ton of contentious public hearings and a very divisive council vote. And it all gets undone in a single night by a cabal of conservative legislators who convened a special session for the express purpose of denying their fellow citizens a right to equal protection under the law. Duly signed into law by our beloved governor, who at least pretended to be a moderate as mayor of Charlotte for 14 years, but now seems so eager to bow and scrape to the idiotic rednecks of this worthless fucking state.

Gatemouth, Thursday, 24 March 2016 18:22 (eight years ago) link

it's so fucking depressing

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 24 March 2016 18:35 (eight years ago) link

waiting for the bill that bans abortions in cases of brunette hair

Tay, an artificially intelligent software chatbot (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 24 March 2016 22:05 (eight years ago) link

Weird when I see people I know share this kinda thing:

http://www.kosmosjournal.org/news/political-choice-why-the-two-party-system-is-broken-beyond-repair/

Darkest Cosmologist junk (kingfish), Thursday, 24 March 2016 23:45 (eight years ago) link

lol comcast tho. a whole company based on the collection of rent from government-granted monopolies, that it lobbies heavily to maintain.

petulant dick master (silby), Friday, 25 March 2016 02:14 (eight years ago) link

lol at apple ngaf

μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 25 March 2016 03:00 (eight years ago) link


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