Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

DJP otm with this

he has already secured 90% of the votes he would get in a general election

At the same time, I agree with marcos that it would bring a nice, long-overdue clarity to the conversation if Cruz were the nominee (assuming, of course, he loses badly). I know that dead-ender types are gonna be dead-enders, but still. Having a real-world counterargument to the "if only we nominated a REAL conservative" line would have been nice.

Ah, well. Those dudes will be if-onlying their way to the grave either way. Upside is that having them loudly blame Trump for the disastrous loss to the weakest Dem in decades may forestall another Trump run (or Trump-style run) in future.

Having a real-world counterargument to the "if only we nominated a REAL conservative" line would have been nice.

What effect do you think that'll have? I mean, suppose Sanders is nominated and loses. Do you think the left flank of the Democratic party is going to say "ok, we're satisfied, now we see it's not just a matter of nominating a real liberal?" No, they (or should I say we) would say "he was undercut by the media and the establishment of the party, really getting behind a left-wing nominee still hasn't been tried." And that's exactly what the movement conservatives would say / will say if / when Cruz runs and loses; the RINOs and the immigrant-loving business interests in the RNC didn't really get behind him, they intentionally let Cruz lose so they could run Romney II next time, but when a conservative candidacy is REALLY tried, then you'll see the silent majority rise up, etc etc etc.

otm

if only we nominated a real Cuban!

we've been over this No True Scotsman fallacy thing

yea u r right eephus

Okay, conceded.

Buffalo "conservatarian" talk-radio guy says, categorically, Trump's finished. Overreacting, probably, but I will say this is the first time he's said that.

:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L_UKv19P9E

didn't nytimes write that trump is leading over there

*googles*

uh

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/31/donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton-hold-strong-leads-in-new-york-poll-shows/

few metaphors are lower hanging fruit than the fate of a young black man with a "FREE HUGS :)" sign at a trump rally vs. a sanders rally

oof

NYC is definitely his by a long shot. but the market's grown bearish on Donut Pump.

even 66% odds that it goes to more than two ballots at the convention now. and I don't know if we've bore the full weight of his dunderheaded statements from yesterday yet.

I hugged that guy!

wow, on PredictIt, you can buy a Trump Wins Repub Nom for fuckin' 46 cents a share.

I hate that I discovered this shit cos I used to have a gambling problem but it's better than betting on sports cos you don't have to bank on a result necessarily

Because Trump is despised from all directions, he also moves the bar on insane-pariah status. Suddenly anti-Trump guy Glenn Beck is showing up on CNN again.

we're gonna be very bored when this is all over

wonder if rubio is wishing he'd stuck around

never too late!

http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1992/1101921012_400.jpg

he's apparently trying to hold onto his delegates despite dropping out to preserve #nevertrump

(not a joek - though I have no idea if that will be allowed)

Love what they did with Perot's nose there...What a circus that was, Perot's exit + return. If Trump ever bows out, maybe he can come up with a Perot-like story about the RNC planting CIA agents at the hospital where his daughter had her baby.

People have forgotten how batshit Perot exit/reentry were. He accused former CIA director Poppy Bush of putting a hit out on his family!

.....could....

Could Chelsea enter GOP race

I might be wrong, but I get the feeling some of the younger posters here don't know how crazy Perot was period. He seems to get a measure of respect for his anti-NAFTA stance (overlap with Trump). He was nuts.

I remember the ears and that he was, for some reason, really popular amongst my 8th grade classmates (we had a mock election and he came in 2nd. Clinton came in dead last. I think we were all just perves.)

I have no idea if that will be allowed

To the best of my knowledge, pledged delegates from primaries or caucuses remain pledged for at least the first ballot, unless they are released by the candidate before the first ballot. Their votes can't be officially transferred by one candidate to another and after the first ballot they are freed to vote as they desire. That's a big reason why the slate of delegates is chosen for their proved loyalty to the candidate, so they will follow directions even if they don't have to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhsotMavuRQ

lol did Perot actually say "you people" during an NAACP address?

Yes...From memory, he was talking about the economy and said something like "And who gets hit hardest? You people."

I do remember Stocksdale tho...that shit was hilarious

(- extra s)

He could still surprise us!
http://springfieldfiles.com/albums/clothing/0084.JPG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXMwqZAZ-8E&feature=youtu.be

if yer that much into war why not play Amon Amarth songs

we're gonna be very bored when this is all over

That long, huh?

Bern rallying in the Bronx with Spike Lee and Rosario Dawson right now.

http://youtu.be/dC4Pvm6Oj4A

Ugh please stop fucking up and being terrible

Like obv I'm going to vote for you under duress but jamming your finger in the face of a climate change activist because any challenge on your donations is an attack from the sanders camp is so fucking shitty.

She really should be better at this after an entire life in politics. This isn't even her first presidential run!

Like, I only even know one person who is a full on enthusiastic Hillary supporter (just like she was in 2008), and good for her, but most people who aren't bonkers for Bernie are just like "yeah, she's the worst, but what else is there?" That's how I feel, anyway. I just wish she'd stop making me hate myself more every day.

most people who aren't bonkers for Bernie are just like "yeah, she's the worst, but what else is there?"

I think it depends who you hang out with? I would say just about every woman my age I know (I'm mid 40s) is legitimately psyched about Clinton. I have more Clinton-supporting friends than Sanders-supporting friends. That's just anecdotal but polling shows Clinton voters self-report just as much enthusiasm as Sanders supporters

http://www.gallup.com/poll/190343/trump-clinton-supporters-lead-enthusiasm.aspx

and of course there's the fact that millions and millions of people, given the choice between Clinton and Sanders, are voting for her. I just can't see any way to read this other than "lots and lots of people are sincerely excited about Hillary Clinton being president."

yeah eephus otm, true of liberal voters maybe but certainly not the majority of democrats

That's interesting and actually new news to me. Even though I'm already a dedicated Clinton voter, I have no enthusiasm at all and no one else I know (with the exception of one person) has any either. I'm aware I live in a bubble of angry lefties, though, so it's hardly a realistic view of the campaign.

Obama, for all he's accomplished, likely ruined me forever about big expectations. All I really want now is someone who won't make the lives of my LGBTQ friends worse and won't make the lives of my women friends worse and won't make the lives of my black friends worse and hopefully won't make the rest of the world hate us more than they already do and won't wreck the supreme court for decades to come. Maybe that guy is Bernie, but after 7 years of centrist Obama getting the kind of pushback he gets from congress, I can't see Bernie accomplishing one single thing. At least Clinton has a chance.

(Though, if Trump torches the GOP so badly that they lose the senate AND the house, it could be good timez!)

http://youtu.be/dC4Pvm6Oj4A

Ugh please stop fucking up and being terrible

― Here, let me Danesplain that for you (jjjusten), Friday, April 1, 2016 4:28 AM (39 minutes ago)

yeah she is the fucking worst, not looking fwd to months and months of hearing ppl pretend she's anything other than a shitty person and candidate

if only she had a bird to sit on her podium for a few seconds.

Vampire bat, more like.

Hillary isn't much older than I am (68 vs. 61). I've seen a hell of a lot of politicians in my lifetime and believe me, when it comes to the worst I've seen she doesn't even crack the top 100. It makes no sense to me for people to talk about her as if she were some horrific bag of turds.

Realistically considered, she's a careerist whose career spans some ugly decades in US politics, so the compromises she's made have also been pretty damn ugly. But, like any careerist, she was just following public opinion, not leading it, and so what you hate about her is nothing but an accurate reflection of that public.

When she voted for the Iraq War and USA PATRIOT Act those votes were approved by a lopsided majority of Americans. Yes, they were gross votes, but the Iraq War Authorization passed 77 - 26 in the Senate, with 29 democrats in favor. The USA PATRIOT Act passed (get ready for it...) 98 -1. She may be no paragon of principle, but maybe about 5% of US Senators ever come close to that standard and none of them get elected President.

that's pretty otm imo

yeah everyone else was voting for those horrible things so it makes it okay. /s

i wonder why those votes were approved by a lopsided majority of Americans, it's not like there was a multi-media coordinated top-down propaganda effort to make people existentially afraid

also otm