Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

this is already happening!

ugh, i don't know want to know. i mean, i want to know, but i don't want to know.

I imagine there won't, from the progressive side at least - you'd have to be insane?

― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, April 5, 2016 11:06 AM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there will most definitely be progressive protestors at the rnc this year, there always is

also, remember a few weeks ago when protesters shut down the trump rally in chicago? i don't think you have to be insane, just very brave.

Bloomberg threw a few hundred protestors at the NYC RNC in jail for just standing outside the protest pen etc

Can you imagine Cleveland, months after dealing with a police officer who shot a child for carrying a toy pistol, dealing with hundreds of angry Tea Baggers flaunting their live ammo in the streets.

This year is not really like previous years? I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.

v wrong afaict

Absolutely not blaming anyone who goes down to protest and get fucked up, of course! It just seems an odd hill to possibly literally die on.

the scene outside the trump rally in chicago that was shut down by protesters:

http://i.imgur.com/Mfk54ee.jpg

(those are not trump fans in the photo)

Yes, I am aware of that, thank you.

sorry, not trying to antagonize you. but if tons of protesters showed up in chicago a few weeks ago, why does it seem impossible that the same exact thing would happen at a much more prominent event, at an intensely heated moment in the political cycle, a few hours down the highway?

i don't think it's a weird thing to do, either. people tend to get really worked up when a leading presidential candidate is also a white supremacist

Well, a Trump Rally is by definition a show of force for this white supremacist, and the convention is not going to be*? The damage done will largely be by the GOP to the GOP, it doesn't seem like good tactics to hand around wearing "hey you can blame us if you like" t-shirts on.

*unless he gets to 1278 delegates beforehand, in which case they have my (entirely meaningless, I'm aware) blessing to protest the shit out of it.

*hang around

Karl, how can you possibly have missed ALL of these stories:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/02/a_list_of_violent_incidents_at_donald_trump_rallies_and_events.html

And this doesn't include the incident where Trump's capaign manager manhandled a Breitbart reporter or the incident in Janesville, WI, rally where a teenage girl was groped and then peppersprayed and called a nigger lover when she reacted to the groping.

I think you were directing that at Andrew, right. I think Karl seems pretty aware of these incidents.

oh I misread, sorry

But I will link this, which happened BEFORE the rally violence started:

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/08/20/boston-men-inspired-trump-brutally-beat-homeless-hispanic-man.html

great quotes for today:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfSbVC5UMAI5oiY.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfP2l16WwAAI97r.jpg:large

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yeah, i'm all too aware of them! i must have used a vague phrasing upthread (imagine that!) but i was trying to say that there has already been a ton of violence at trump rallies, and i'm concerned that the violence will begin spreading beyond that, meaning, beyond trump-specific rallies.

I really have no idea what/who Trump/Cruz supporters will direct their violence against but I wouldn't recommend travelling to Cleveland during that period of time.

no, I missed "and beyond" in your post, which greatly changes the meaning of what you wrote into something insane

eww at the idea coming into Nixon

*the idea of coming into Nixon

bhahahaha

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/politics/memo-explains-how-donald-trump-plans-to-pay-for-border-wall/2007/?tid=a_inl

y'know, it's about time we had another war with Mexico

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djp, do you mean that you think the idea of trump-related violence spreading beyond his rallies is insane (hope you're right if that's the case), or that the increasing violence itself is insane (that i agree with)?

or that the idea of coming into nixon is insane. i suppose there are multiple correct answers here

omg at trump's wall plan

Interesting bit on Trump's criminalizing abortion, that he inadvertently voiced the action aims of all this shit that gave the lie to what's called the Standard Answer whenever a pro-lifer is pointedly asked about going after the women

bhahahaha

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/politics/memo-explains-how-donald-trump-plans-to-pay-for-border-wall/2007/?tid=a_inl

y'know, it's about time we had another war with Mexico

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, April 5, 2016 1

lol it looks like an intern punched a few ideas into Notepad.

it's like a gamergate comments thread turned its collective brainpower and expert realpolitik to the matter of international diplomacy. really unbelievable.

I have to love the "Conclusion: and another thing.."

djp, do you mean that you think the idea of trump-related violence spreading beyond his rallies is insane (hope you're right if that's the case), or that the increasing violence itself is insane (that i agree with)?

Not knowing that protesters were being beaten up regularly at Trump rallies is insane. (The violence in and of itself is also insane. I also expect that it will spread like wildfire regardless of who the Republican nominee is.)

I love the implication that the US has borne far more of the costs of the drug war, both in terms of money spent and lives lost, than Mexico, so viciously ignorant.

xp

this whole election has been bonkers. i'm rooting for the fantasy scenario of dozens of a contested convention where no candidate can manage to get the majority of delegate votes, and as a result the GOP decides to peacefully disband.

obama's really relishing his first opportunity to play above the fray

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/02/world/middleeast/obama-nuclear-security-summit-iran.html

"The person who made the statements doesn't know much about foreign policy or nuclear policy or the Korean Peninsula or the world generally," Obama told a news conference Friday.

I'm looking forward to Obama interjecting himself into the campaign tbh, should be interesting

gulp

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/275084-models-predict-gop-white-house-even-with-trump

lol economic models

lol thehill.com

y'know, it's about time we had another war with Mexico

sad that sam peckinpah didn’t live to see this day

I find pretty much everything Trump says mindboggling and/or exasperating, and I feel like a low-level anger at his existence and popularity, but something about his explanation about funding the wall is making me fucking livid. We're going to extort another country into paying for something ridiculous that "benefits" us by threatening the livelihood of its citizenry? It's fucking ludicrous and unfeasible and so base-level "I don't give a fuck about anybody". Fuck this guy. May he pass peacefully in his sleep as soon as possible.

my college-freshman students are working on persuasive policy speeches and if one of them handed in that trump 'policy paper' i'd give them a C at best.

was that trump's actual policy proposal or was that the zimmermann telegram? i can't tell.

anyway, if there is a screwjob of trump in cleveland, i think it'll have to be cruz. i mean, really, is there anybody else you'd trust to pull off a screwjob like that?

Bernie hasn't lived here in 50 years, i'll give him a pass on the subway moxie

A friend ran into Bob Dole in NC about ten years ago, who asked him about the trolleys in Brooklyn

i too wish for cruz to give trump the ol screwjob in cleveland

never forget

http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/357927/11632434/1302271590587/George+Bush+Barcode+Scanner+92.jpg?token=6Jip5TSVx9wfJbsNY9H0viQPjsM%3D

i did not know that jon polito was involved in that incident.

anyway, if there is a screwjob of trump in cleveland

Something something "_Trump_ screwed Trump"