anyway I'm in the process of acquiring the fan edit of FWWM with the missing pieces scenes edited back in. Wonder if Lynch will ever do this himself. The Bowie scene and the 'above the convenience store' scene make way more sense in the Missing Pieces.
― akm, Thursday, 28 April 2016 00:44 (eight years ago) link
That seems to have been Lynch's 'thing' back then, extracting bits until the narrative doesn't quite make sense. I was fairly disappointed after watching the deleted Wild At Heart scenes in the Lime Green box, as I realized that the story was initially much more linear and straightforward (relatively speaking, of course) and seemed to have been deliberately weirded up after the fact.
― Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch), Thursday, 28 April 2016 02:05 (eight years ago) link
the version of TP:FWWM that's in the full script is annoyingly straightforward by comparison with the finished film. i'm glad he left it as it is.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 16:43 (eight years ago) link
wild at heart would probably be lynch's worst film in any iteration.
yeah it's easily his worst
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 April 2016 16:44 (eight years ago) link
it's the closet thing to lynch self-parody. i guess he was overextending himself in the early 1990s.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 16:46 (eight years ago) link
er, closest
it's probably his worst but i still like it *shrugs*
someday i hope there's a tell-all exposé on the making of Duran Duran: Unstaged
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Thursday, 28 April 2016 16:48 (eight years ago) link
I think it's some combination of hubris, over-work and Barry Gifford being a shitty writing partner
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 April 2016 16:53 (eight years ago) link
I'd probably take Wild at Heart over Lost Highway, Dune, and a Fire Walk With Me. ~controversial ilx opinions~
― circa1916, Thursday, 28 April 2016 17:01 (eight years ago) link
Lost Highway is like 2/3rds of a good movie (I have serious objections to the way Richard Pryor was used), Dune is fantastic, FWWM has plenty redeeming qualities. WAH is just a mess, it has no center, it's just a bunch of empty gestures.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 April 2016 17:02 (eight years ago) link
I love a lot of things about Wild at Heart (Laura Dern, the use of color, the jarring transitions between scenes), but it goes very far into mannerism.
― one way street, Thursday, 28 April 2016 17:05 (eight years ago) link
IDK how Lost Highway, Dune, or FWWM are in any way LESS of a mess.
Anyway, won't derail. Definitely talked about this on another thread.
― circa1916, Thursday, 28 April 2016 17:06 (eight years ago) link
FWWM is still one of the glories of Lynch's work, however desperately bleak it is.
― one way street, Thursday, 28 April 2016 17:07 (eight years ago) link
The wild at heart extra scenes made me like it a lot more actually! Not really arguing for their inclusion, the film as it is is already fairly narratively straightahead, it really doesn't need another hour and also I still don't really like it
Gifford is not good, I read all the sailor & lula books recently & bleh, but lost highway is great
Fwwm is brilliant, the missing pieces are also great but I really don't understand the desire to watch a "fan edit" that mashes them together
― dat login (wins), Thursday, 28 April 2016 17:07 (eight years ago) link
This is pretty much the only place where I've heard so much unreserved love for FWWM. I mean, I like it OK, but it's always been toward the bottom of the his filmmography for me. Will revisit soon, it's been a few years.
― circa1916, Thursday, 28 April 2016 17:11 (eight years ago) link
Count me as another FWWM lover.
I'd never seen Dune until a few years ago and was surprised that it both wasn't bad and that it was fairly faithful to the source material. The biggest obstacle he faced is that I don't think it's possible to film a Dune adaptation that is a) faithful, b) coherent, and c) under like four hours long.
― Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch), Thursday, 28 April 2016 17:17 (eight years ago) link
lost highway has a really elegant /form/. it gets a little too self-consciously "scandalous" and self-parodic in some of its details, but on the whole it's just a very satisfying bit of surrealist narrative.
FWWM has definitely been critically rehabilitated in the past decade or so, such that i think appreciating the film now seems like conventional wisdom.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 18:44 (eight years ago) link
other problem w/ Lost HIghway (which is really just a minor problem) is that Balthazar Getty is kind of a nullity. Bill Pullman is perfectly cast though.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 18:53 (eight years ago) link
Saw Lost Highway in a theater a few months ago. It's good up until around the identity switch. Most of the stretch with Getty (that road rage scene...) has got to be a nadir of sorts for Lynch. Just does not work. Rebounds near the end, but not enough to save it.
― circa1916, Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:01 (eight years ago) link
my opinion on lost highway is a recently revised one, I think when I first saw it back in the day I had the common reaction that it was kinda lynch doing lynch in an unsatisfactory way. Now I really love it. Was it JLG who said that the first 45 minutes comprised one of the greatest films ever?
― dat login (wins), Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:04 (eight years ago) link
probably rivette. i can't imagine JLG giving two shits about david lynch. he seldom comments on contemporary films.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:05 (eight years ago) link
I need to rewatch Lost Highway. I honestly don't think I've seen it since its initial home video release. I have no excuse. And I still haven't seen Straight Story at all. I don't know what I'm doing with my life but it isn't good.
― Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch), Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:06 (eight years ago) link
I like the messier stuff after the switch tho, all the rammstein in corridors stuff seems way more necessary on rewatch. xps no way the road rage scene is great!
― dat login (wins), Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:07 (eight years ago) link
(that road rage scene...)
yeah this is terrible
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:07 (eight years ago) link
"you like pornos, kid?"
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:07 (eight years ago) link
i re-watched lost highway a few months ago (on 35mm!) and although yeah it has plenty of problems (no film with marilyn manson involvement can be all good), it's still pretty exhilarating. just the audacity and elegance of its narrative construction.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:09 (eight years ago) link
I like the structure, first section, and ending sequence of LH very much, but it's hard not to see it as a dry run for Mulholland Dr.
― one way street, Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link
The way Rammstein is deployed in LH is actually pretty great, yeah. Will grant it that.
The road rage scene felt like it was made by some sub-Tarantino hack.
― circa1916, Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:13 (eight years ago) link
When the riffs kicked through the theater speakers it was legitimately pretty exhilarating.
― circa1916, Thursday, 28 April 2016 19:15 (eight years ago) link
i hate lost highway, love wild at heart and fwwm is one of the best movies ever made.
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:26 (eight years ago) link
"on the air" is where it's at
― massaman gai, Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:35 (eight years ago) link
lol "On the Air" best described as a comedy made by people who don't understand comedy
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:41 (eight years ago) link
haha I need to see that, lynch & frost are both good with the lols imo but yeah maybe not in a way that translates to sitcom gold
I'm def a stan/apologist lol, I rate pretty much everything (which feels wrong even to me). I did fall asleep during dune though
― dat login (wins), Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:48 (eight years ago) link
i like lynch's anti-humor, probably best seen in "the cowboy and the frenchman"
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:50 (eight years ago) link
"On the Air" is not without its merits but being legit funny is not one of them
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:51 (eight years ago) link
i went into On the Air with an enormous amount of sympathy for lynch and an expectation that it would not funny in anything approaching the normal sense of the word.
and i could barely sit through it
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:57 (eight years ago) link
I remember liking Lost Highway well enough at the time but i was a much bigger fanboy then, and tellingly I've rarely if ever felt like rewatching it, unlike Mulholland Drive which I rank up there with TP and Blue Velvet as his best work ever. Same with the Straight Story.
― akm, Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:08 (eight years ago) link
On the Air was pretty dumb.
Hotel Room: Blackout is great though. I saw an uncut version of this introduced by Gifford many many years ago.
― akm, Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:09 (eight years ago) link
^^
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:15 (eight years ago) link
yall crazy OTA is amazing and hilarious. the first episode only but damn it is a masterpiece.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:38 (eight years ago) link
i saw LH in a theater recently... The road rage scene is funny!
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:44 (eight years ago) link
I think that scene awful. He couldn't have made MD if he hadn't made LH and in most other art forms artists are allowed to fail in one work in order to develop the themes in a subsequent work. Having said that I don't even think LH is a failure - the sense of dread in the first section is singular and powerful and worth the perceived failures.
― Mr. Hathaway. (jed_), Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:59 (eight years ago) link
i don't know why, but i have more affection for L.H. than M.D., maybe because the former was kind of overlooked/condescended to while the latter was immediately embraced as a masterpiece.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:33 (eight years ago) link
obviously M.D. is much more emotionally accessible in a lot of ways. i've heard L.H. described as "anti-humanist" and that isn't entirely wrong.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:34 (eight years ago) link
On The Air is some weird shit. It feels more like a bad trip than any other Lynch thing imo.
― Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch), Friday, 29 April 2016 01:43 (eight years ago) link
Can't remember a road rage scene.
Lynch's humour falls flat for me 70% of the time.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 29 April 2016 15:14 (eight years ago) link
I've never seen Lynch's humor as particularly "funny". It's more like a dog that's suddenly gained the power of speech and tries to tell a joke. More uncanny and surreal than LOL.
― Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch), Friday, 29 April 2016 15:17 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/oy5i0k7.jpg
― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Friday, 29 April 2016 15:22 (eight years ago) link
The problem is I usually find it tedious. I think Inland Empire (my favourite) would be far better without a sense of humour.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 29 April 2016 15:27 (eight years ago) link