kind of a hairline distinction between going on here between Truth and Meaning, so excuse my rambling!
― ryan, Saturday, 28 May 2016 19:13 (eight years ago) link
here's the Mikics book, which from the title doesn't necessarily take the approach i would find most interesting about either thinker: http://www.amazon.com/Romance-Individualism-Emerson-Nietzsche-Continental/dp/0821414968/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1464462902&sr=8-5&keywords=david+mikics
― ryan, Saturday, 28 May 2016 19:15 (eight years ago) link
I can see why Nietzsche would love Emerson as a writer, and it wouldn’t surprise me if Nietzsche was self-consciously styling himself after Emerson to some degree. I see them both wanting their writing to be energetic and cheerful as well as ironic and mercurial. And they both emphasize self-assertion as a response to some kind of loss or lack (meaning, hope, community, happiness). I don’t like the term ‘individualism’ so much, at least as applied to Emerson. Self-reliance is a leap of faith in which you allow yourself the hope of being better than you are, which is also the hope for a better and more just world for everyone. I don’t think it’s a doctrine of selfishness. I do have a certain image of Nietzsche in which he’s saying something similar in his own way, but that may be too soft and democratic a reading of Nietzsche.
― jmm, Saturday, 28 May 2016 21:56 (eight years ago) link
anyone know anything about Raymond Ruyer?
http://www.amazon.com/Neofinalism-Posthumanities-Raymond-Ruyer/dp/081669205X
― ryan, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 22:34 (eight years ago) link
not really but i recall this article on him being fairly interesting - http://www.parrhesiajournal.org/parrhesia15/parrhesia15_grosz.pdf
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 31 May 2016 22:46 (eight years ago) link
The Philosopher is an iconoclastic account of what philosophy has been over the longue durée. It makes sense to talk about the long-term when it comes to philosophy because unlike most departments in the modern university philosophical activity seems to have a niche in every society in recorded history, and therefore it has perhaps more in common with age-old professions like war, storytelling, and sex-work than with the other humanities and sciences. Philosophy is so primitive and socially basic that its domestication in the university can seem a dubious proposition or a laughable reduction. But it’s also a credentialed and systematized modern discipline: that’s not a mere fantasy of professionalization. Thus Smith concludes that “philosophy,” over the long history of the word and the concept, has meant several distinct (albeit closely related) professions or kinds of activity: there is no single definition of philosophy or the philosopher that can account for its history or present variety. The Philosopher offers a typology of these kinds: the philosopher as curiosa, sage, gadfly, ascetic, mandarin, and courtier.
http://www.openlettersmonthly.com/socrates-of-amazonia/
― ryan, Friday, 3 June 2016 14:53 (eight years ago) link
curiosa, sage, gadfly, ascetic, mandarin, and courtier.
poll
― de l'asshole (flopson), Friday, 3 June 2016 17:19 (eight years ago) link
i've never eaten curiosa
― Noodle Vague, Friday, 3 June 2016 17:23 (eight years ago) link
when i was in secondary all the punks took the graphic design class to print artwork and opinions on t-shirts
i am reminded of one in particular:
a philosopher first beats youthen they beat each otherthen he beats himself
[insert line art of hand grasping a gangrenous penis]
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 3 June 2016 18:13 (eight years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/8xp73YK.jpg
― 龜, Friday, 12 August 2016 12:22 (eight years ago) link
lol
― Tom Watson in a fedora (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 13 August 2016 08:42 (eight years ago) link
https://66.media.tumblr.com/f990ed18391f1a45ca65c3ccb8a66676/tumblr_o63iprkEXO1umdmzqo1_1280.jpg
― 龜, Saturday, 20 August 2016 13:22 (eight years ago) link
poll http://www.thebestschools.org/features/most-influential-living-philosophers/
― Mordy, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 00:07 (eight years ago) link
i was about to badmouth that list until my favorite professor i had as an undergrad popped up! (john j. mcdermott--in fact one of his classes on American Philosophy led directly to me choosing the dissertation topic that I did.)
― ryan, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 00:16 (eight years ago) link
only person on that list that i havent read that i'd like to read is Graham Priest.
― ryan, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 00:21 (eight years ago) link
lol how did tim morton get onto that list
― j., Wednesday, 24 August 2016 02:30 (eight years ago) link
clearly gettier should be at the top
Quitting while he was ahead, Gettier has since published nothing.
― j., Wednesday, 24 August 2016 02:34 (eight years ago) link
also I guess they are under the impression that Stanley Cavell is dead
― ryan, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 02:45 (eight years ago) link
he's never had the influence of a tim morton
― j., Wednesday, 24 August 2016 03:10 (eight years ago) link
Fodor is the most conspicuous omission I can think of. Williamson?
― jmm, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 03:24 (eight years ago) link
since they counted Nancy I presume continentals are allowed, so perhaps Sloterdijk? Agamben surely.
― ryan, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 03:26 (eight years ago) link
oh and Meillassoux
― ryan, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 03:27 (eight years ago) link
I like the total lack of methodology in the ranking. They just go with what they know is true!
― jmm, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 04:17 (eight years ago) link
No Zizek either.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 08:52 (eight years ago) link
he is the only living philosopher high school students have ever told me they read, which is influence some of these dorks can only dream of
― j., Wednesday, 24 August 2016 09:03 (eight years ago) link
Yeah. They should just remove 'continental' philosophers if they aren't gonna treat their influence properly, for the lack of Zizek, Sloterdijk, Agamben, Honneth or, heck, Massumi makes the list pretty dumb.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 09:49 (eight years ago) link
Reading through the list, how on earth does someone like William Lane Craig make it? As they tell it, his biggest claim to fame is repeating a nonsensical medieval islamic theory about God. Wtf?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 11:09 (eight years ago) link
Is Ned Block on that list?
― Nobodaddy's Fule (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 11:40 (eight years ago) link
Not that he should be. He is just the only philosopher I ever met in person, apart from one or two whose classes I may have sat in long ago.
― Nobodaddy's Fule (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 11:41 (eight years ago) link
No Block
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 11:44 (eight years ago) link
I kinda like Craig (ducks)
― two crickets sassing each other (dowd), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 11:46 (eight years ago) link
You think Hilary Putnam and Arthur C. Danto would have made it if they were still around? And what about Critchley? *ducks*
― Nobodaddy's Fule (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 11:53 (eight years ago) link
wait, that's what David Chalmers looks like? o_O
― Sean, let me be clear (silby), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 15:39 (eight years ago) link
― j., Tuesday, August 23, 2016 7:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
#goals
― Sean, let me be clear (silby), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 15:40 (eight years ago) link
feel like i would get more out of the list if i cared more - or at all - about philosophy of mind
― ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 16:15 (eight years ago) link
last fall I had a beer with a person on this list without knowing who he was (he had come to my talk and joined the group going out to the pub afterward). it's only with this list, seeing his picture, that I realize who he was (it was at Oxford & he's not on the staff there, was just visiting for the year acc. to his cv). I didn't realize he was that """"influential""""", he may have influenced me to have a second beer though so that counts for something
― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 16:23 (eight years ago) link
i think chalmers has had a haircut recently, sad to ditch a classic look but the influential ppl of the world gotta keep innovating
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 16:35 (eight years ago) link
oxfordian stranger
― j., Wednesday, 24 August 2016 16:46 (eight years ago) link
he had good questions, but didn't seem chummy with the others present, so I was confused. I knew his name was Peter, that's all.
― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 16:48 (eight years ago) link
interesting to note that 8% of the world's most influential philosophers are named peter. having been in a department that was 1/3 peters i find this entirely plausible
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 16:52 (eight years ago) link
one of the Peters was at my grad institution and I never talked to him bc lol metaphysics but I did attend a job talk he was at where he (and Plantinga, who I'm surprised isn't on a list of this sort) absolutely owned the job candidate with a series of questions. it was like watching someone be operated upon while conscious, a methodical shredding of the candidate's competency.
the guy got hired somewhere else & is now full prof at an ok place where he has a colleague who's on this list, kinda in the same religious-y metaphysics-y world
― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 17:06 (eight years ago) link
I met Dennett a couple times. I didn't take any of his classes, which were all phil of mind which just wasn't my area. I saw him debate Dinesh D'Souza once and that was hilarious, the only one of those '00s 'new atheism' debates I got to see live.
― jmm, Wednesday, 24 August 2016 17:25 (eight years ago) link
I took a class with only one of these guys, who was booked as a "teach a grad seminar once a year but it'll only meet half the term (for 3 hrs at a time) so you can mostly avoid our horrible midwestern town and its hellish winter that lasts 3/4 of the year". big shot in phil mind which we didn't really have.
list is pretty east-coast USA centric, one reason it's so blah
― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 17:30 (eight years ago) link
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/05/the-dream-of-enlightenment-by-anthony-gottlieb
anyone read the previous book?
― ryan, Tuesday, 30 August 2016 17:06 (eight years ago) link
Response to article title question
― On the zing and on the lmao (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 August 2016 17:10 (eight years ago) link
All verso e-books books are 90% off until midnight! (In the uk anyway)
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Friday, 2 September 2016 21:28 (eight years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr89osbXYAEcxlC.jpg
― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 10 September 2016 00:36 (eight years ago) link
got a Jigglypuff trapped in his bathroom eh?
― you can't drowned a duck (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 10 September 2016 07:07 (eight years ago) link
https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbaker/professors-receive-packets-of-poop?utm_term=.fryb5ZVkv#.hn9enmpl0
― goole, Thursday, 6 October 2016 20:28 (seven years ago) link
“Then I thought, ‘Oh shit,’” Haslanger said. “‘This is shit. I’m one of the other people who got the shit!’”
― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Thursday, 6 October 2016 20:35 (seven years ago) link