Curb Your Authoritarianism? The 2016 Conventional Wisdom Thread (Elections, Part 6)

otm, dude is bringing a very cold game to the table

Captain Beefheart sure could be vicious!

LOL seconded. A+

running Hillary's twitter acct seems like a fun job

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/742894093366333440

The Song Remains The Same
http://web.archive.org/web/20071213024912/http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/davidcorn/2007/12/hillary-on-obama-fear-and-hatr.html

A lot of people are saying Trump has tiny man-baby hands.

"The clarity between the two nominees is very clear." – Herman Cain, introducing Trump just now

lol @ Return of Cain

it's the best clarity, so clear, you won't believe it

https://twitter.com/RosieGray/status/743109707263533057

Rosie Gray
‏@RosieGray

Cain: "this sounds like a shucky-ducky kind of crowd on a shucky-ducky kind of day, here to support an awww-shucky ducky kind of candidate"

Trump/Cain please please please

can totally see Trump selecting Cain to prove he's not a racist, has the best African Americans etc.

he's an ideal VP pick

one thing we really need is for an accomplished neurosurgeon to play Stepin Fetchit to a racist toupee running for President

Cain sells pizzas iirc

Herman Cain is a neurosurgeon??

oh lol I kept thinking Ben Carson, whoops

I feel so much better about Cain saying this nonsense

and it's not what *we* need, it's what Trump needs, and Trump's needs are all that matters, because he is the greatest, really great, you have no idea

that's what some people are saying anyway. I would never say it.

Cain has been 100% clown from the jump, I don't care how much more he embarrasses himself

I really need to hear what "awww-shucky ducky" sounds like out loud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO3ot894Oyw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbv6B8Ky4ns

I see the speaking in tongues has finally begun in earnest.

storify of a live tweet of a trump rally

https://storify.com/case_face/a-trump-rally-in-greensboro-anger-in-here-is-palpa

really sounds like a cross between heavy metal parking lot and immortan joe opening up the pipes

Do people say "Aw shucky ducky now" in "some parts of the South"? Inquiring minds need to know.

this was enlightening:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuckey_Duckey

He was parodied on Saturday Night Live by Bobby Moynihan as "Slappy Pappy," with the catchphrase "Slappy Pappy Way Way."

what what

the guy introducing Trump right now is prattling on about how Hillary is an enemy of union workers; Georgia is a right-to-work state

lol, I must have missed those in 2012.

did we not cover trump saying US soldiers had looted the redevelopment money sent to iraq?

https://storify.com/DemFromCT/corbin-reiff-on-honor-duty-and-donald-trump

this series of tweets is p revealing in a number of different ways, not all of them anti-trump necessarily...

god i just watched the frontline on the origins of isis, seeing again the pre-iraq-war days, cheney and the rest. what an awful time. it really is the original sin that made the world we're in

yup. will never forgive any of those jackals. (I don't really forgive Hillary for her craven gullibility at the time either tbh)

altho I do think there are tiers of guilt/complicity in terms of who was driving the bus and who was willing to be a passenger

ugh i barely like to think about the pre-iraq war days. i remember reading an article written by richard a. clarke which was fairly prescient and even then it seemed otm. talking about the vacuum that would exist in a middle eastern war, and how extreme terrorist groups would begin to fill the gap left by the ousted government(s) and how there could be worse groups than al qaeda on the horizon. he also said, iirc, that the u.s. should be less concerned about airline terrorism and more concerned with assault weapon attacks carried out in public places.

did we not cover trump saying US soldiers had looted the redevelopment money sent to iraq?

https://storify.com/DemFromCT/corbin-reiff-on-honor-duty-and-donald-trump

tbf the bush administration literally 'lost' a billion dollars in cash in iraq but I doubt the soldiers are the ones who took it.

they certainly did, some of it

which soldiers? it's a meaningless accusation unless you can narrow it down a little.

I assume its all bribe money

look i think it's clear trump just fell asleep drunkenly watching three kings on a plane one time

https://lisathatcher.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/realmovieplots-threekings.jpg

these guys iirc

http://www.wtae.com/image/view/-/116056/highRes/2/-/maxw/620/-/4o1ps6/-/Three-Kings--George-Clooney--Ice-Cube--Mark-Wahlberg-jpg.jpg

xpost dammit

xp god damn it

Yeah, I saw that documentary, too. Sad!

James Risen's book Pay Any Price

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/status/742890251102920710

True factlet: I worked for the CIA in the 80s/90s (as a teenager, in the mailroom). I saw actual pallets of cash being sent to distant lands. I was encouraged to forget that I had seen them.

There was a subset of yr smarter Agency dudes who felt - then as now - that Saddam was the glue that held that sandhole together. It was lunacy to think that removing him would lead to a happy ending. However, there are a lot of reasons why "leave the dictators in place" isn't a popular strategy, and proponents will get shouted down.

One reason is action bias: people wanted to feel like we were Doing Something. Another is the legacy of Munich, Hitler, etc. We said "never again," so some people either see little hitlers everywhere, or are able to use the language of Holocaust prevention as convenient cover for stuff they already wanted to do. Fast forward to Assad in Syria, and no one has a solid answer as to whether we're doing not enough, rather too much, ,or just the right amount.

A healthy pessimism about our track record in intervening is understandable.

you guys know that teenagers committing petty crime have been offered enlistment in place of a sentence, right? xp

*commits petty crime*

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClA1bOZVYAIcq8_.jpg:large

I think a non-ideological bet that Clinton is likely to lose would be a bet on voter suppression by blackshirts or on RNC operatives running a successful ground game to get new-voter Trump-leaners to actually vote. The former seems way more likely than the latter.