Curb Your Authoritarianism? The 2016 Conventional Wisdom Thread (Elections, Part 6)

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burning freddie w/ a friedman comparison <3

Mordy, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 21:08 (eight years ago) link

Today's Sanders email seems to point pretty clearly to a concession/pivot speech coming tomorrow night:

We are at a critical moment for the future of the Democratic Party and our country. Last night marked the last primary as part of the Democratic nomination process, and we know that our campaign will enter the convention in Philadelphia with more than 1800 delegates.

Our movement has fought against steep odds when so many people counted us out. Together we built a political revolution that fought in every one of more than 50 primaries and caucuses since February. Our delegates from this movement will be the people who vote on the platform of the Democratic Party, and who will have influence on not just who the nominee is this election, but how the next nominee will be elected, too.

The future of our political revolution depends on you. That's why Bernie Sanders will host a live, online video address this Thursday night at 8:30 p.m. EDT / 5:30 p.m. PDT.

Harvey Manfrenjensenden (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 21:17 (eight years ago) link

omg the vitriol directed at Freddie in the comments is such a gift

Mordy, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 21:24 (eight years ago) link

i think there's a narrow space where de boer is very useful, or at least someone useful. that space would be certain of his critiques of campus political correctness, speech policing, etc. but once he moves to more ambitious territory he flounders.

somehow i feel like the whole self-regarding idiocy of his position on the general election is encapsulated by the furrowed-brow selfies he uses as his avatars.

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 21:44 (eight years ago) link

er, someWHAT useful.

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 21:44 (eight years ago) link

yeah I agree. His piece last September made a couple decent points about the irony of administrators complaining about student demands when the administrators themselves created the methods of redress.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 22:00 (eight years ago) link

how long do y'all think this filibuster is going to last?

flappy bird, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 22:09 (eight years ago) link

wrong thread for filibuster talk

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 22:34 (eight years ago) link

These insinuations that Obama is sympathetic to ISIS are extraordinarily dangerous not to mention disgusting.

Treeship, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 22:46 (eight years ago) link

so in addition to being anti-iran deal apparently canova is also kinda a fed weirdo:
https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/who-runs-federal-reserve-2008-crash

It would also be worthwhile to break the monopoly of central banks in the issuance of currency by funding some government operations with money created and issued by treasuries and finance ministries—money that would not add a penny to public debt. This is what President Abraham Lincoln did by issuing more than $400 million in U.S. notes, the so-called Greenback, to pay the huge costs of the American Civil War and national economic development programs. A century earlier, colonial Pennsylvania enjoyed fifty-two years of non-inflationary growth by issuing and lending its own currency into circulation, thereby financing major development of infrastructure without incurring debt or high tax burdens. Adam Smith, in his classic work Wealth of Nations (1776), praised Pennsylvania’s success with government-issued money. Such proposals have been introduced in Congress over the years, but Wall Street lobbying has prevented such legislation from passing.

Mordy, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 23:30 (eight years ago) link

Hate to give FdB any more attention but looolll: https://mobile.twittier.com/crulge/status/730530222274023424

JoeStork, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 23:33 (eight years ago) link

twittier? dunno how i did that: https://mobile.twitter.com/crulge/status/730530222274023424

JoeStork, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 23:34 (eight years ago) link

hahaha

akm, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 23:46 (eight years ago) link

The Lewandowski-Manafort-Hicks dynamic is fascinating

Sean, let me be clear (silby), Thursday, 16 June 2016 03:42 (eight years ago) link

The Trump campaign would not comment on the record about its relationship with the RNC. One Trump Tower official called it “a great relationship. I work well with everybody over there and I haven’t heard of anyone who doesn’t have a great relationship with them.”

tee hee

mookieproof, Thursday, 16 June 2016 03:52 (eight years ago) link

"It's a great relationship. The Greatest. Never has a relationship worked as great as ours. If the RNC was a hot Slavic model, our orgasms would be YUGE!"

Now I Know How Joan of Arcadia Felt (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 16 June 2016 04:19 (eight years ago) link

next election thread really needs to be named HIRALLY CLIMPS FOR PRESIDETN

germane geir hongro (s.clover), Thursday, 16 June 2016 06:46 (eight years ago) link

A lot being made of this Guccifer2 hack?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 16 June 2016 12:35 (eight years ago) link

Jesus, whenever I think this stupid motherfucker can't get any stupider: Trump: DNC hacked itself

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 12:45 (eight years ago) link

Stop hacking yourself! Stop hacking yourself!

how's life, Thursday, 16 June 2016 12:50 (eight years ago) link

This "I'm going to just constantly assert things that have no bearing whatsoever on reality" tendency that Trump shares with way to many people needs to be fucking wiped out asap.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 13:02 (eight years ago) link

Nor can Larry Hogan, who is otherwise execrable.

I'm a bit sad about the DNC hack because now Putin will know that Trump has absurdly tiny baby-hands, also that the DNC oppo researchers apparently didn't find anything that could not have been googled.

I'm Martin Sheen, I'm Ben Vereen (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 16 June 2016 13:48 (eight years ago) link

I'm somewhat surprised at their restraint in not going to that next letter of the alphabet. Just give it time, I guess.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 15:12 (eight years ago) link

Nor can Larry Hogan, who is otherwise execrable.

hate having to grit my teeth and admit that Larry Hogan is doing the right thing and deserves some credit here

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 16 June 2016 15:15 (eight years ago) link

The tiny plurality that elected him (my in-laws included) are likely scratching him off their list of the righteous as we speak, and I am smiling a secret smile.

I'm Martin Sheen, I'm Ben Vereen (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 16 June 2016 15:28 (eight years ago) link

I'm somewhat surprised at their restraint in not going to that next letter of the alphabet. Just give it time, I guess.

I have a bet with a friend that he's gonna call her one of those words on TV before it's all said and done

frogbs, Thursday, 16 June 2016 15:30 (eight years ago) link

^^ I said that to my wife the other day. Probably by the second debate.

a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Thursday, 16 June 2016 15:32 (eight years ago) link

man that Trump campaign/RNC infighting is comedy gold. If Trump was an old school fascist he'd be plotting his own Night of the Long Knives by now.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 June 2016 15:49 (eight years ago) link

I love the TPM headline

Trump's Not Doing Poorly; He's Not Even Running

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 June 2016 16:17 (eight years ago) link

Street Talk Tees is a company based in Aurora, Ohio, that sells mostly shirts featuring the names of colleges, cities and sports teams. Along with obscenities. The company’s website includes this disclaimer: “All designs are created just to allow our customers to expres how they feel. FIRST AMENDMENT RULES!”

Soon, a cleansing fire.

De La Soul is no Major Lazer (ulysses), Thursday, 16 June 2016 16:18 (eight years ago) link

xp "Do you know what they're calling her? Have you ever heard of "See You Next Tuesday"? Horrible, horrible. But they're saying it!"

De La Soul is no Major Lazer (ulysses), Thursday, 16 June 2016 16:19 (eight years ago) link

Didn't he pull that one already after someone at his rally called Ted Cruz a pussy?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 June 2016 16:22 (eight years ago) link

Ha, yeah:

"You're not allowed to say, and I never expect to hear that from you again. She said -- I never expect to hear that from you again! She said he's a pussy! Terrible. Terrible. That's terrible," Trump said to an excited crowd.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 June 2016 16:22 (eight years ago) link

Hey, I go right past Aurora once a week! If anyone wants to start a GoFundMe for my legal costs, I'll burn this place down over the weekend.

Meanwhile:

Andrew Stroehlein ✔ @astroehlein
Trump: "Belgium is a beautiful city." Thank goodness for oceans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2iEes9bzbg

a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Thursday, 16 June 2016 16:23 (eight years ago) link

xps- that's the best deBoer takedown i've ever read, damn... so good

de l'asshole (flopson), Thursday, 16 June 2016 16:34 (eight years ago) link

this is amazing to me

Others might do it well or poorly. But Trump isn't doing any of it. There's a Politico story out today about how the RNC gave him the names of twenty big GOP donors to call. He got bored or frustrated and stopped after calling three. And this comes after deciding that he actually doesn't need to raise a billion dollars.

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 16 June 2016 16:51 (eight years ago) link

It is increasingly clear that Donald Trump is perfectly happy to be president, as long as he doesn’t have to work for it.

obv not surprising at all

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 16 June 2016 16:58 (eight years ago) link

a reversal from George W. Bush, who was perfectly happy to be president as long as he didn't have to work.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 June 2016 16:59 (eight years ago) link

c'mon, he cleared all that brush that one time

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 June 2016 17:01 (eight years ago) link

these fuckin putzes, so doomed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/17/us/politics/donald-trump-fundraising-gop.html?_r=0

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 June 2016 21:19 (eight years ago) link

Donald being forced to raise money after all his nonsense in the primary is some delicious irony

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 June 2016 21:20 (eight years ago) link

I mean how can you not laugh, what a fucktard:
Moreover, while Mr. Trump lent his campaign more than $43 million in the primaries, he has shown little inclination to self-finance his general election campaign in a large-scale way. Yet many Republican fund-raisers have openly questioned why they would donate their money to a candidate who has claimed a net worth of $10 billion.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 June 2016 21:21 (eight years ago) link

Did I say $10 billion? Uh, I meant $10 hundred. And half of that is an abstract valuation of my name brand, so see? I really need the money, thanks!

I used to think that Trump campaign volunteers would be the saddest thing ever, followed by Trump campaign donors. Now I'm not so sure. Perhaps it's the other way round.

I'm Martin Sheen, I'm Ben Vereen (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 16 June 2016 21:27 (eight years ago) link

apologies if this has been posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/15/donald-trump-poll-numbers-us-election-hillary-clinton

The suspicion of protesters reached a point at which Trump supporters were informing on each other for not being “real” supporters. One woman pointed security toward a couple sitting quietly in their seats. “Them,” she mouthed.

The couple seemed baffled and denied to a security agent that they were anything but genuine Trump admirers. He waved them toward the exit and said, “Let’s go.”

Afterward the informer, who declined to give her name, grinned as onlookers congratulated her. “I heard one of them say ‘Never Trump’,” she said. “And one held up three fingers, like this.”

She held up her hand in a Boy Scout salute.

What did the three fingers signify?

“I have no idea,” she said.

goole, Thursday, 16 June 2016 21:54 (eight years ago) link

Probably posted on the mass shooting thread:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/58885b65cf714811964305b99ca78d93/mccain-obama-directly-responsible-orlando-shooting

Disgusting (and the "I misspoke" clarification doesn't much change that). I hope it helps dispel the idea that McCain was this pillar of virtue in 2008, which is always followed by a cut to him sheepishly telling that woman "No, ma'am, he's an American..." As many have pointed out, he'd been letting that stuff go on for weeks beforehand. He got noble only when the election was clearly not going to go his way. That's when he started cleaning up his image.

clemenza, Thursday, 16 June 2016 21:57 (eight years ago) link

I occasionally have some dark, dark thoughts about Trump's supporters that are difficult to square with my generally pacifistic leanings.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 22:03 (eight years ago) link


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