"I was referring to President Obama’s national security decisions, not the President himself."
What is the distinction here? "Not him, just what he did."
― jmm, Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:02 (eight years ago) link
It's not what he does but rather what's in his heart that matters.
― Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:05 (eight years ago) link
I must have missed isis having anything to do with that shooting whatsoever bar the murderer giving them a shout-out
― The Nickelbackean Ethics (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:07 (eight years ago) link
can we get a list of Republicans who aren't walking dumpster fires
― volumetric god rays (DJP), Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:09 (eight years ago) link
sure here it is
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:20 (eight years ago) link
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tempting to list any republicans who have refused to endorse trump but then you'd be including the bushes who are really ultimately responsible for the whole mess in the first place
― Mordy, Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:23 (eight years ago) link
Chuck Todd yesterday that McCain has never quite recovered from losing in 2008; he's still amazed people chose Obama over him.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:29 (eight years ago) link
*SAID yesterday
anyway good ol' maverick John McCain, barbecuing for the press
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:30 (eight years ago) link
McCain seems to forget the years between 2001-2008 as to why nobody would pick him over Barry
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:42 (eight years ago) link
heh:
http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/06/16/congresswoman-proposes-top-1-act-to-drug-test-wealthy-people-who-get-tax-breaks-quotes/
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 June 2016 20:46 (eight years ago) link
― The Nickelbackean Ethics (jim in glasgow), Thursday, June 16, 2016 4:07 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
don't worry, there isn't one. McCain's beady political eyes can't distinguish the difference between a lone wolf who shouted out an allegiance to three competing bitter radical Islamic enemy cells and a coordinated ISIS attack
― Neanderthal, Friday, 17 June 2016 11:54 (eight years ago) link
I read that Nancy Pelosi thinks that the measure Rep. Cicilline is pushing--- a discharge petition that would force a vote on banning assault weapons, is too risky to try. It would get around Paul Ryan's obstruction and force every House Republican to take a position and be accountable to voters.
According to Politico, Pelosi is limiting Democrats' focus to a measure to bar terrorists from buying guns that she says is "easier to explain to the public."
― curmudgeon, Friday, 17 June 2016 23:04 (eight years ago) link
Solution: put all Americans on no-fly list, ban weapon sales/ownership for all on no-fly list, decide on case-by-case basis who's cool to fly.― Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
flying is terrible for the environment, so I’m down with restricting flying, period.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 17 June 2016 23:08 (eight years ago) link
i kind of forgot that he ran even, i realize that the current D cycle has somehow left me with the impression that hillary is who obama beat in 2008. like poor mccain was an afterthought
― j., Friday, 17 June 2016 23:52 (eight years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/article/biden-lines-sweet-summer-gig-installing-above-grou-53112 gonna miss these
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 18 June 2016 01:39 (eight years ago) link
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/283637-gop-obamacare-plan-will-leave-out-key-dollar-figures
Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) office declined to comment on the plan ahead of its release next week, and noted it is still being finalized.
Republicans have said previously they will not be introducing their ObamaCare replacement plan in the form of a bill, but will instead release a white paper that is less detailed than legislation would be.
Keeping the plan in the form of a broad outline puts off some of the difficult tradeoffs and preempts lines of attack that would be raised with a specific and detailed plan.
No surprise here
― curmudgeon, Monday, 20 June 2016 16:05 (eight years ago) link
"We think prices are going up because people have too few choices, not because they have too many," Ryan said in a speech in December at the Library of Congress laying out his ideas. "And we think this problem is so urgent that, next year, we are going to unveil a plan to replace every word of ObamaCare."
Well fair enough, they've not had long to think about it.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 20 June 2016 16:08 (eight years ago) link
Senate rejects Dem all inclusive background gun check bill and Republican weak one; plus they rejected bills re terrorists and guns
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/284182-senate-rejects-first-background-check-bill
But Democrats resoundingly rejected the GOP background check measure, arguing it would do little to make sure potential criminals or terrorists couldn’t buy a gun.
“It’s a shield for members who don’t want to do the right thing,” said Sen. Chris Murphy, (D-Conn.), who led a recent unofficial filibuster on gun control. Grassley and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) offered a similar proposal during the Senate’s 2013 gun control debate, but it also largely fell along party lines.
Instead Democrats largely backed a measure from Sens. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) and Murphy, that would require a background check for most sales or transfers of guns.
But that measure, which also needed 60 votes, failed in a 44-56 vote.
Democrats have pledged for months to push for expanding background checks in the wake of a string of recent high-profile shootings, but their effort faces an uphill battle in a GOP-controlled Congress.
“The Murphy legislation is very broad...and I think that there are concerns about it,” Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) told reporters Monday, asked about the proposal. “I’ve previously said that I think it’s important to fix the current system.”
Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) noting that the Democrats’ proposal went further than legislation he authored with Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) in 2013, blasted his colleagues for “talking past each other.”
Democratic Sens. Joe Manchin (W.Va.), Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.) and Jon Tester (Mont.) voted against moving forward with the proposal. Sen. Mark Kirk (Ill.), the most vulnerable GOP incumbent up in November, supported it.
Both of the measures were widely expected to fall short Monday. Senators also voted on two proposals to block suspected terrorists from buying guns, which both also failed.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 13:49 (eight years ago) link
I figured we had all just chosen to silently mourn the most recent example of the senate's continued and unsurprising failure as a governing body.
― Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 13:52 (eight years ago) link
If senators followed the example of Elizabeth Warren on Twitter, some of that legislation deserved to die.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 13:58 (eight years ago) link
Elizabeth Warren @SenWarren 15h15 hours ago.@ChrisMurphyCT said it right: The @SenateGOP have decided to sell weapons to ISIS.
Republicans argued that Feinstein’s proposal doesn’t do enough to protect against situations where someone mistakenly on a terror watch list, or mistakenly suspected of links to terror groups, would be denied their Second Amendment rights.
Democrats countered that the time limitations in Cornyn’s alternative would make it functionally impossible to actually prevent suspicious individuals from purchasing firearms.
http://www.pressherald.com/2016/06/20/senate-blocks-democratic-measure-to-close-gun-show-loophole-and-expand-background-checks/
Could some sort of compromise bill between these 2 options possibly pass? Probably not (NRA types will oppose everything), but I kinda wish Dems would come up with a bill with enhanced due process rights
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 15:43 (eight years ago) link
Wasserman Stain effectively out (but may stay as a figurehead -- thru the election?), and acc to Howard Dean hey guess who will handpick her successor?
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a46022/dnc-chair-replaced/
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 19:02 (eight years ago) link
Lol I always assume DWS was handpicked by HRC
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 21 June 2016 21:57 (eight years ago) link
my congressman. so proud:https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/pr/philadelphia-congressman-and-associates-convicted-rico-conspiracy-public-corruption
― Mordy, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 22:09 (eight years ago) link
lol Lil Marco wants to go back to the Senate after all
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 15:43 (eight years ago) link
John Lewis leading some kind of House sit-in re: gun control legislation...?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 16:12 (eight years ago) link
Rep. John Yarmuth @RepJohnYarmuth
I'm on the House floor with @repjohnlewis & Dems staging a sit-in to demand action on commonsense gun legislation EmbeddedJun 22, 2016, 10:34 AM
― Sentient animated cat gif (kingfish), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 16:14 (eight years ago) link
Denny Hastert goes to jail
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClkqUgsVAAET6xK.jpg
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:18 (eight years ago) link
John Lewis rockin the rainbow ribbonhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClkpTvAUkAI_EWF.jpg
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:19 (eight years ago) link
@dick_nixon There are plenty of guys in the House dumb enough to have John Lewis dragged out the door. Plenty of them.
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:20 (eight years ago) link
http://gawker.com/house-democrats-hold-sit-in-to-demand-gun-control-vote-1782432366
― Sentient animated cat gif (kingfish), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:21 (eight years ago) link
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1OyKAlbWydexb
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:36 (eight years ago) link
#holdthefloor trending
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 18:49 (eight years ago) link
cspan is broadcasting a periscope feed
― Clay, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 19:01 (eight years ago) link
Modernity can be strange
― Sentient animated cat gif (kingfish), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 19:07 (eight years ago) link
The C-SPAN cameras, which are controlled by the House, were turned off and so were the microphones — leading some members to jokingly argue about who should take the next turn to speak based on who had the loudest voice. While it’s against House rules to take photos or video on the floor, at one point C-SPAN carried live footage of the sit-in via the Periscope feed of Rep. Scott Peters (Calif.).
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) pledged that Democrats would stay on the floor until they get a vote.
“We’ll be here as long as it takes, every day,” she said during a news conference on the steps of the Capitol. “This is the moment of truth.”
House Democrats appealed to rank-and-file Republicans to buck their leadership and join them — although by about 1 p.m., none had taken them up on the invitation. They also asked Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) to come to the floor.
“The House cannot operate without members following the rules of the institution, so the House has recessed subject to the call of the chair,” said Ryan spokeswoman AshLee Strong. She did not say if Republicans had a plan to resolve the impasse with Democrats.
Pelosi said members were committed to holding the floor because after a series of mass shootings marked by prejudice — the recent attack on a gay nightclub in Orlando and the shooting last year at South Carolina’s predominantly African American Emanuel AME church – and homeland security concerns, members had reached a breaking point.
House Democrats are trying to stay “in sync” with the Senate in making their demands, Pelosi explained. That’s why the only two measures they are specifically demanding votes on would prevent suspected terrorists on the government’s watch lists from purchasing firearms and expand background checks. The Senate considered proposals on these two issues earlier this week.
“The others, we can’t say 85 to 90 percent of the public support,” Pelosi explained, adding that the chances of passing an assault weapons ban in this Congress are “hopeless.”
“But the other two shouldn’t be, because they are bipartisan,” Pelosi said.
Several Democratic senators, including Bill Nelson of Florida, Chris Coons of Delaware, Barbara Boxer of California, Patty Murray of Washington, Cory Booker of New Jersey and Chris Murphy of Connecticut, came to the House to join the sit-in. Some snapped photos of the gathering as it entered its third hour.
The gathering turned somber at times. At one point, Assistant Democratic Leader James Clyburn (D-S.C.) offered a prayer. At another, members broke into singing the spiritual “We Shall Not Be Moved,” a song associated with the civil rights movement.
About 20 of the members involved in the sit-in left the floor to join Pelosi’s news conference. Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Ill.) spoke about his son who was fatally shot in 1999. “It’s time to end this chorus of primal screams” from mothers finding out their children have been killed by guns, he said.
One such mother, Nardyne Jefferies of Washington, D.C., spoke at the end of the news conference, addressing Ryan and demanding a vote. She held up a graphic picture of her wounded daughter, Brishell Jones, who was killed at age sixteen during a 2010 shooting on South Capitol Street.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 19:26 (eight years ago) link
It may have been a while since their last really solid album, but Primal Scream isn't that bad.
― william the comptroller (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 19:48 (eight years ago) link
periscope feed still going... I assume there will be criminal charges against Peters for that but whatever good for him
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 19:57 (eight years ago) link
I take that back, looks like it ended an hour ago?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:02 (eight years ago) link
still going; C-Span is broadcasting via periscopehttp://www.c-span.org/video/?411624-1/watch-democrats-continue-house-sitin-gun-violence&live
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:13 (eight years ago) link
haha wait that says "facebook video" now
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:22 (eight years ago) link
it's whatever those guys have on hand i guess. not tech wizzes.Bernie is talking now.
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:27 (eight years ago) link
p much how i feel
http://gawker.com/the-democrats-are-boldly-fighting-for-a-bad-stupid-bil-1782449026
― goole, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:37 (eight years ago) link
the house gop cutting the c-span feed is the cheapest of shit tho
― goole, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:42 (eight years ago) link
by and large, yes
xpost
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:43 (eight years ago) link
it's not just the no-fly/no-buy amendment that's at stake here - the other things in the bills were to require background checks for online + gun show gun sales, which is huge.
xp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:44 (eight years ago) link
like jesus christ just pass *something* to break the logjam, obviously there's more going on here than getting the specific bills to the floor, they're trying to wrest the political leverage away from the NRA
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:45 (eight years ago) link