Curb Your Authoritarianism? The 2016 Conventional Wisdom Thread (Elections, Part 6)

feel like we've had this discussion before but tossing around racial epithets even if they're meant to be in the mouths of our enemies isn't cool

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http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/all/2016/05/the-daily-trump/484064/#note-487301

James Fallows already burned out on chronicling The Daily Trump

Trump is not going to get behind gun control. He's going to get behind gun control for minorities, which is different.

― Οὖτις, Friday, June 17, 2016 2:15 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i didn't say he was going to get behind gun control, i was saying that was one of the few things he could do that would lose him his present token support, while all the racist shit he's said already (and the stuff he will continue to say) is somehow not a deal-breaker. just throwing GOP priorities into relief.

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whatever

that's not a real japanese commercial tho treezy

― F♯ A♯ (∞),

wait what?

― Treeship, Friday, 17 June 2016 18:47 (48 minutes ago) Permalink

it's a parody video made by nonjapanese people/gaijin

ほんまに！

dude obviously

yeah, i think that one of the things that would actually make paul ryan, john mccain, et al get off the trump train is if he actually threw his weight behind gun control. he could scream about spics and hymies and greaseballs onstage and they'd find a way to still support him, but if he suggested repealing the second amendment he would be toast in 20 seconds.

― wizzz! (amateurist)

ha, actually i was referring to option #3. my take is that the republican party clearly has no scruples whatsoever at this point, and they would gladly throw the entire nra under the bus if they thought it would win them florida.

treesh

u xp'd my post which was an image of a real japanese shop in shibuya selling trump hats

that's why i'm clarifying

i like how amateurist's offensive ethnic slurs all appear to come from a 1955 true crime magazine

stuff it, frog!

haha have we done this

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/apple-wont-aid-gop-convention-over-trump-224513

^that's great and all (and fucking hilarious), but what exactly has Trump said that really doesn't comport the essence of the GOP in 2016? he might say it with more WWE-style panache, but it's not like he's that out-of-step with the party. there's a reason he clinched a fairly easy primary victory, and it wasn't just because of an overcrowded clown car.

after so many years of painstakingly crafting their message to obscure its crude scapegoating and intolerance, so as to present it as solemn statesmanship, gop heavyweights are shocked to discover that their base prefers undisguised bigotry and hatred.

^that's great and all (and fucking hilarious), but what exactly has Trump said that really doesn't comport the essence of the GOP in 2016?

A bunch of stuff from the left? GWB was to blame for 9/11, the Iraq War destabilised the region, Planned Parenthood does "wonderful things having to do with women's health."

also preserving social security & medicare iirc
something so desperate & illuminating & just kind of beautifully illustrative abt the simultaneity of everyone:
falling in line w/ policies they wouldn't abide in democrats;
transgressing from implicit to explicit identity politics wrt islamophobic legislation;
& then also being so egregiously flagrant abt scalia's seat, this transparently craven + selective adherence to the constitution from ppl who talk abt following the constitution all the fn time

Referencing it /= talking about it

A bunch of stuff from the left?

true. but in this instance I meant language and ideas that would drive Apple to bail on the convention

he's explicitly racist for one thing. GOP requires tacit racism.

Yeah that's the thing horrified mainstream Republicans won't admit or maybe just can't see, that he's more a difference in degree than kind. Some of the same people got squeamish about Palin, but not nearly enough.

he's definitely the end point of Michael Savage etc

I think the race baiting was traditionally seen by party leaders as a dark horse to push through an unpopular conservative agenda. Trump's reversed it: he's posing as a conservative to legitimize a popular racist agenda.

It's more a matter of priorities than substantive differences. The GOP was always willing to encourage nativism and paranoia esp wrt Obama as long as they felt it furthered their interests. What they are recoiling from now is the fact that Trump has snagged their propoganda, amplified it, and is using it to divide and undermine the Republican Party. Their stand against Trump is not by any means a principled stance against racism, but to the purposes he is putting it to.

In the case of Nixon, there was no conservative agenda, and, regarding the administration's opposition to busing, it was explicitly racist (the administration did comply with court orders though without saying so publicly). With Reagan, I don't know if we can separate the popularity of the man from the unpopularity of his assault on the welfare state.

Yeah that's the thing horrified mainstream Republicans won't admit or maybe just can't see, that he's more a difference in degree than kind. Some of the same people got squeamish about Palin, but not nearly enough.

yeah, i don't know whether romney (as an example) is just too genteel or is actually really deluded enough not to realize that the brand of conservatism he's peddling is actually inextricable from racial suspicion and white entitlement.

this election is going to make a few great books a few years from now.

I've heard from people in Poli Sci departments who claim that the Trump phenomenon is going to produce a boom in their field of scholarship for years to come.

poli sci always stay classy

Congrats on hacking through the word salad and getting Donnie Pee-Pants to pretty explicitly declare his favor for racial profiling. Which, to be fair, he hates, but it's just the common sense thing to do.

Washington (CNN)Top National Rifle Association officials split Sunday with Donald Trump's position that armed club-goers are a good idea.

"I don't think you should have firearms where people are drinking," said Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's chief executive officer said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "But I will tell you this. Everybody, every American starts to have -- needs to start having a security plan. We need to be able to protect ourselves, because they're coming. And they're going for vulnerable spots, and this country needs to realize it."

NRA lobbyist Chris Cox told ABC's "This Week": "No one thinks that people should go into a nightclub drinking and carrying firearms. That defies commonsense. It also defies the law. It's not what we're talking about here."

Trump had said Friday at a rally that armed club-goers shooting Omar Mateen "would have been a beautiful, beautiful sight."

"If we had people, where the bullets were going in the opposite direction, right smack between the eyes of this maniac," Trump said, gesturing between his eyes. "And this son of a b---- comes out and starts shooting and one of the people in that room happened to have (a gun) and goes boom. You know what, that would have been a beautiful, beautiful sight, folks."

LaPierre later tweeted: "I want to clarify my comment: if you're going to carry, don't drink. OK to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol."

thanks everyone, good job america

slippery slope there wayne

u_u

(xxposts) They played the clip of Trump with the eyes and the guns and so forth a few times this morning. Making Wayne LaPierre squirm a little is quite an achievement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxOkxECKy-8

it's still confusing as hell to see this drunken uncle carrying on in front of flags

I want to get these!

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1128/5690/products/Final_packaging_ValueBox_1024x1024.jpg?v=1456952712

Trump had said Friday at a rally that armed club-goers shooting Omar Mateen "would have been a beautiful, beautiful sight."

ladies and gentlemen, your 2016 republican presidential nominee

i'm 100% convinced that trump is animated by fantasies of murder and genocide but is too personally cowardly to act on them.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NY3yzLA-g24/hqdefault.jpg

trump's candidacy feels like some sort of terrible dream. i feel like i ended up in the wrong timeline somehow (via multiverse theory)

He's come back from the future to kill us all.

more like a donnie darko thing. i don't think i'll survive this tangent but i still hope we can close the loop to save humanity

Has anyone pointed out to him yet that there was a good guy with a gun there that night? Not that it would change anything, but it'd be nice to get whatever deranged response on record.

You're clearly mistaken. If anyone else had been armed, the beautiful murder of a potential terrorist would've been the only death that night. Life is very pat and good guys with guns have magical shooting powers that always defeat bad guys with guns.

How do you explain to an adult that he has the cognition of a six-year-old in terms that an adult with the cognition of a six-year-old would understand?

"Shut up - you sound stupid, and people are making fun of you. All the people who are on your side, they're stupid too - do you really want to be like them?"

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/trump-campaign-corey-lewandowski-manager-224536

the weirdest thing about that orlando gun rant is the reference to someone with a gun strapped to their ankle. literally the mind of a child.

Wall Street donors seek to block Warren VP pick

xp: are ankle holsters out of vogue?

it just seems like something someone who watched a lot of action movies from 1982 to 1994 would say