what does "unprofessional" mean?

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"they were cool with goths and punks and nerds"

dont think we've endorsed any idea of professionalism itt that makes these attributes relevant tho trayce?

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Sunday, 19 June 2016 10:14 (seven years ago) link

I mean no doubt theres a view out there that professionalism is something to do with yr personal style or appearance but id be surprised if anyone on ilx (or under 50) still thought that

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Sunday, 19 June 2016 10:17 (seven years ago) link

On a basic level, professionalism as it applies to my job is governed by numerous rigidly defined codes of practice like an ISO quality management system, scientific convention, any number of H&S laws, EU directives &c. Beyond that, it's a relaxed enough workplace that I never really find myself thinking ito professionalism vs unprofessionalism

oh, amazonaws (wins), Sunday, 19 June 2016 10:26 (seven years ago) link

Also when I typed unprofessionalism just then my phone wanted to correct to "unprofessional momism"

oh, amazonaws (wins), Sunday, 19 June 2016 10:27 (seven years ago) link

In a service economy, the expectation of "professionalism" creeps into jobs that are not "professions." Speaking of an "unprofessional" longshoreman seems ridiculous, but someone in a far less skilled job such as a walmart cashier might (absurdly) be called "unprofessional" if he excessively discussed his personal life with customers.

Part of the bitterness of shit jobs expecting 'professionalism' lies in the way a real traditional profession (doctor, lawyer, teacher) has (perhaps imaginary these days) career progression lined up eventually resulting in a nice house and big family who surround you on your deathbed, and this is invoked every time a miserable authority figure reads out the professional standards expected of you.

That's the bitterness - the threat comes from the way certain shark-like people are able to get away with being total bullies and stay on in their position by keeping to the letter of the law (dress-code, what words to use, etc).

Never changed username before (cardamon), Sunday, 19 June 2016 23:44 (seven years ago) link

Another really interesting thing about professionalism is how if you turn up at a shit job suited and booted, keep your conversation strictly to work-related matters, show yourself as eager to fit in with the expected standards, etc, you will become a figure of hate/ridicule for everyone else who works there. Including the managerial caste who are pushing professionalism - so in a sense, it's not about the standards themselves exactly, so much as about having to have a super-keen sense of when and when not to fit those standards

Never changed username before (cardamon), Sunday, 19 June 2016 23:50 (seven years ago) link

Which personally I find nearly impossible - oh for it to be so simple as turn up looking smart and focus on the job

Never changed username before (cardamon), Sunday, 19 June 2016 23:52 (seven years ago) link


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